Kerry/Obama ’08

Just a random passing thought this morning: After seeing Obama on “MTP” yesterday, followed by Kerry’s interview on “This Week” (and Kerry’s “glad people see what I saw” in Obama when asked about Obama running) made me immediately consider that possibility:

Assuming JK runs, what would a Kerry/Obama ticket do for the party and the country?

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18 Responses to Kerry/Obama ’08

  1. BobsAdvice says:


    I think that would be a very powerful ticket. Downside of course is two “northern” senators. Geographically not as good as could be.

    Upside is winning the White House!

    Obama clearly offers America a new perspective and may well be President someday. He is being discussed as a 2008 candidate, but recall that Edwards also was running until he accepted the Veep job.

    I am a fellow John Kerry supporter and believe he is our best and finest hope for 2008. I think Obama would add a bit of excitement to the ticket that Edwards never quite pulled off.


  2. oncall says:

    I am from Illinois and am quite proud of Obama, but – and please don’t take this the wrong way – listening to Obama yesterday on MTP was very difficult. He gave a great speech at the Convention, but he had very little of that same passion in his interview with Russert. When I consider how he actually got to the Senate, I am not convinced he has all that it takes to be the second person on a Presidential ticket.

    His path to the Senate was via several improbable events. The leader in the Democratic race was ruined by scandal, as was his Republican opponent. If you remember, Alan Keyes decided he wanted to run for Senate here in Illinois. It was a cake walk for Obama and he was hardly challenged. If his campaigning style is anything like his showing on Meet The Press, people will tune him out.

    I wish Dick Durbin would take the pressure off of him to run. JK was very magnanimous yesterday and left the door wide open.

    I just want the Presidency back in Democratic hands, but I don’t think Obama can help JK.

  3. oncall says:

    As far as benefitting the country, I have no doubt that a Kerry /Obama administration is exactly what this country needs.

  4. mbk says:

    I’m with you. I heard part of his interview with Keith Olbermann, and also found him much less passionate, and much less articulate, than his speeches and writing.

    I also wish Durbin would stop pressuring him.
    When the first glow of national publiciaty surrounded him after his speech at the 2004 Convention (I was in the hall, and it was fantastic. . ), he seemed to have the good sense to shrug off the hoopla. Now, at least for the moment, it seems to have scrambled his head a little. I hope that good sense will prevail. Among other things (the conservative streaks in his voting record, his cautious approach in the Senate, the lackluster interviews), he simply does not have the experience yet to run for president, or to be president.

    Kerry’s comments on Obama yesterday were a class act.

  5. Ginny Cotts says:

    I’m quoting myself again, # 7 from the previous post.

    Although John Edwards did not have much experience in ‘04, I was much more comfortable with his record, knowledge base, critical thinking and intelligence than I have been with Obama. I personally do not want Barak a heartbeat from the presidency in ‘09.

    Obviously he is better than Dan Quayle (a heart stopper every time you remembered), but he’s no Al Gore either.
    And that is the kind of VP we – and #44 – will need on 1/20/09 and beyond.

    I hope Obama realizes that the draft movement for Stewart and Colbert is as legitimate as his is.

    Heck, I’d vote for Robin Williams first. Anybody seen the movie? I think the laughs would be SO welcome.

    I agree with oncall about Obama not being as seasoned as he needs to be, on top of the idea that he just won’t be that experienced, period.

    There are some excellent alternatives. Some are not viable because of the traditions, etc. There are still others that can be better. I’m not sure if Obama would qualify for a cabinet position frankly.

  6. Javelin says:

    I like Kerry/Feingold myself……….

  7. I think what the Obama media hype shows is that after Warner exited, the “anybody but Hillary” crowd is clanking into motion behind Barack. For some reason, Kerry is still off the punditocracy’s radars (though not for long, I suspect).

  8. My 2 cents – I like Obama… but I don’t think he’s even ready for the VP slot. I never really felt that Edwards was either.

  9. Ginny Cotts says:


    Maybe, except I landed on a bumper sticker etc site that had Hillary/Obama ’08 stuff on it !!

    Anyone interested in a different way of measuring this should check this site out. (From a forwarded email)

    “Our site is and the information included in the site is powered by TrendIQ, a business intelligence firm that typically works with Fortune 500 companies. The site was created for public service purposes only – and because we are all frustrated political junkies at heart.”

    Their sub title is ‘2008 Presidential Election Watch’.

    Interesting approach and information. Sort of the opposite of Barron’s 10/23 report predicting Republicans will retain both the House and the Senate in the November midterms. [They] “predicted the outcome by determining “which candidate had the largest campaign war chest,” adding, “We ignore the polls,”

  10. Probus says:

    Sen. Obama represents the hope of the democratic party. He is the only minority in the Senate so he in a way represents many Americans of different races and cultures who have no voice. He also represents the inclusivity of this party. Barack Obama must prove two things if he wants to run for president. He must prove he has electability, to do that he must finish his current term and run again. If he can get re-elected he will prove he is electible on a national stage. That is why Sen. Clinton is running for a 2nd term, in part to prove that she has electibility for national office.

    Also, another requirement is that he must have the ability to raise large sums of money quickly. This can sometimes make or break a candidate. This may have been the reason that Gov. Warner dropped out. It remains to be seen if Obama can do this. I personally don’t think Sen. Obama has any presidential aspirations. I think he is lining himself up for the second post of vice president. He is smart enough to know that the deck is stacked against him. To put himself in the running he will have to run for president. I personally favor former Sen. Edwards, he is the only candidate out there besides Sen. Kerry who has the experience of a general election campaign. He has been fully examined and tested by the American people and the media. He knows what it’s like to be in a vice presidential debate. I’d like to see the 2004 ticket repeat itself. Sen. Edwards has not raised as much money as Clinton or Kerry. Due his last experience as a presidential candidate he may be positioning himself for another vice presidential run if he doesn’t do well in the primaries.

  11. Indie Liberal says:

    If the 2004 ticket repeats itself and Kerry has to pick his running mate and if it isn’t Obama, a female, or a person of other ethnicity, then he’ll catch flack for it.

    I know it may sound controversial, but back in 2004 until election day, blacks like Tavis Smiley to Jesse Jackson Jr. and black voters complained that they were tired of voting for “two white guys” for high office, and ask, why couldn’t Kerry have put an African-American, hispanic or female on the ticket?

    At, it is now polluted with Obama hype with some saying he is the best thing to happen since Bill Clinton and are even pulling for a Obama/Hillary Clinton or Hillary Clinton/Obama ticket.

    I like Obama. Just don’t care for the media hype and bandwagon jumpers because it feels like they are jinxing him, meaning setting him up for disappointment in the long run, which would unfortunate because with more time and experience in the Senate, he could be president one day.

  12. BlueWashington says:

    My take – Edwards was inexperienced and could not carry his state. He was a drag to JK in ’04. If you can’t carry your own state, you’d better look at yourself in the mirror and ask yourself, “How good am I?”

    I think Obama needs the experience. Experience is one of my criteria to becoming a good president. Look at what we have right now. A guy with an MBA, a failure at business and a suspect job at best as a governor. Also, I agree with another posting here, Obama would be coming from another Northern state. Experience and geography is working against Obama right now.

    JK will need someone who will carry at least as a minimum their own state and maybe a couple more as a bonus.

    What states could Edwards point to in ’04? Any?

  13. Ginny Cotts says:

    No one will be more thrilled than I when we have a really good African American and/or woman to run for the Presidency. My goal is not just to elect. The individual has to be able to do the job well and that means the learning curve must be reasonable.

    I think it is unrealistic to think small state governors can transition to DC, foreign policy and the incredible complexity and pressure of that office, to do the job very well. Clinton was something of an exception due to his brilliance and drive. Someone like that, especially from a state that does a lot of international trading, could make the jump and be good.

    There are some good possibilities for VP out there. Obama will not be ready in ’08. Aside from the heartbeat, Vice Presidents have to do a lot more work than when the one described the office as ‘a bucket of warm ____’. I doubt Kerry would choose Edwards again and it would probably be pushing the comeback too much. Edwards strikes me as a really good choice for Secretary of HHS.

    A governor might do well as VP. Richardson certainly has the DC experience and foreign policy under his belt. I am getting a little more acquainted with his creative thinking and overall leadership which are promising. Vilsack is another possibility. Any female or AA governors that are not on the radar?

    I also have a problem with the tradition that an incumbent VP is always selected as the party’s next presidential candidate. Not necessesarily a good idea. So I would almost prefer an older candidate who would not go on to run. Clark could certainly do a good job in many ways. There are others who have the job qualifications on paper, but not the interest or the skill for a national campaign.

  14. pen says:

    Well, every time I see obama on I tune him out. I’m sick of the obama hype already and his coy act doesn’t help.

    I pray to goodness JK doesn’t pick neither edwards or richardson. Richardson has to answer for the shenangians in new mexico in 04 when he was an intereference in getting the votes counted and his constant diatribe against JK pisses me off.

    I agree with blue. if you can’t carry your own state what good are you? for god sakes pundits and their ilk and a many of dem forget edwards couldn’t even carry North carolina the last time around and I bet you a dozen of doughnuts he won’t do it in 08 either. Now Gore may have not carried his own state but he carried the majority of the rest.

    Plus elizabeth Edwards is getting on my last nerve using her illness to buffer her husband and bashing Teresa and even hil. I’m no fan of Hill’s but Elizabeth has no business saying she’s more happy than hillary, or down to earth than teresa.

    JK has to pick somebody he trusts, somebody that will watch his back, and somebody that can help him lead and has some common sense.

    Frankly, there aren’t many who fit the bill.

  15. Mass says:

    I like the man, but I do not think he is ready to be president.

    My first reaction to this post was that it was a good idea. However, I remembered that, early in 2003, I thought that a ticket Kerry/Edwards would be a good ticket for exactly the same reasons. However, way before july 2004, as I came to know Edwards, I thought it was a bad idea (and nothing I have seen since has been able to convince me I was wrong). So I will wait a little bit more before I decide what I think on that.

    A few points on what is seen as Obama’s strong points:

    – He has charisma. May be those who think that may want to read what the media were saying in 2000 concerning a certain Senator Kerry. It is amazing how fast the media favor turns when the media decides you are no more their darling. Then, you are done with the charisma. You get 30 secs clips on the news that show you at your worst, and the pundits start talking about how you are long winded and boring. If they decide so, it will not matter whether Obama is or is not all that, they will say that and, for the majority of people, there will be no way to see whether this is true or not.

    – He is a fresh face. How long do you stay a fresh face when you are on TV every single day for an interview or with the pundits talking about you. Remember Warner, another one of the pundits’ and some blogs’ favorites a while ago. He was a fresh face too.

    – He is a blank slate. Nobody is a blank slate, except if you come from outer space, and even there. If Senator Obama thinks he will have a pass because he has only been senator for 2 years, he may want to call his friend Deval Patrick, candidate for MA governor (and soon to be governor). Deval Patrick was also a fresh face, a blank slate, about whom everybody got excited (he has a lot of the same qualities Obama has). However, after a while, the media got intrigued about his record. They dug a lot harder that they would have done for somebody they knew. And they found things. Nothing serious, but enough for them to write again and again and again. Then the GOP candidate look at his record and found things. It did not matter that these things were nothing Patrick should have been afraid of. They slung it at him again and again and again, and, for a while, it worked and stopped him to present his agenda.

    On this subject, I have come to think that the best thing is to present a candidate who is fully tested already. And Kerry is probably one of the best on that.

    So, for those who read that and think they want to support Obama. Do it for the right reason: because you think he would be a good president, because you like what he stands for, …, but please, spare us the “he can win” reasons that really do not matter as long as the candidate did not commit a crime.

  16. showman says:

    Beautiful observation mae by Mass. I could not have said it better. Amazing how things changed for JK between 2000 and 2004.

  17. kerry4prez says:

    Obama will definitely make African Americans feel included.

    I liked the Kerry/Edwards ticket. Any person who gets in as VP will get the chance to see how the system works right at the top. Although he has a lot of work to do, Obama certainly will bring in the African American votes if he ever runs for prez, and in a way that a white candidate may never be able to. He can cultivate that comfort zone with non-whites.

    Probus: “He is the only minority in the Senate so he in a way represents many Americans of different races and cultures who have no voice.”

    Extremely important point raised by Probus. He would have a unique opportunity to tune into the minority voter and re-energize that voter base.

  18. Probus says:

    When Barack Obama was elected to the Senate many minorities didn’t see a fresh face, or a great communicator. They saw someone who was just like them. The Senate has a long history of making it harder for African Americans and people of color to break the race barrier. There is a very strong and vocal African American caucus in the House of Representatives but the Senate has always been a predominantly white establishment. After the 2004 election only this caucus stood up for the African Americans in Ohio who were not allowed to vote or whose votes were thrown away ironically and sadly by another African American. In the Senate Sen. Boxer stood for the right to vote and democrats will always be grateful to her for doing that. Former Sen. Carol Mosley Braun broke the color and gender barrier in such a visible way. She was a strong voice for minorities and women everywhere. I was sad to see her go.

    But I see something special in Barack Obama. When Sen. Landrieu proposed a resolution about slavery many senators came to the Senate floor. They all spoke passionately and from the heart. Among them was Sen. Kerry. He spoke eloquently about what segregation meant to those Americans who are not white, and he spoke of the pain that still lingers for those Americans who are descendents of slaves. He spoke about what it meant to not be able to drink from the same water fountain as whites. He spoke of the humiliation and the sadness of being a second class citizen in one’s own country.

    But then Sen. Obama came to the floor, and he spoke as an African American man and I’m sure the African Americans in the gallery felt what many other people felt that he is someone who represents all people of color. His skin color brown and he’s been there. He knows what its like when one doesn’t get served in a restaurant or is made to wait for a table, or when one is stopped on the road because of their skin color. If Sen. Obama ever leaves the Senate it will be a great loss for he is truly a great voice for all people of color. His skin color is an asset to him and he tells the whole world that racism cannot stop Americans, it makes you bolder. It is wonderful to have white senators who speak on behalf of minorities but it makes a whole lot of difference when the man on the senate floor is someone who’s been discriminated against and has been through the pain.

    He gives hope that one can make it and that no amount of racism can stop a person from going where they wants to go in life. If Obama ever leaves the Senate we will lose a great voice; a voice who has suffered racism, and knows how much its hurts when it strikes. If he ever does become president it will be a great day for all Americans regardless of the color of their skin. But it will be a day of vindication and triumph for all African Americans, Hispanic Americans and Asian Americans and everyone of color. He will truly stand up to racism and bigotry. His success will be the success of every person of color. If he ever becomes president he will encourage African American kids to stay in school and finish college, he will encourage a whole generation of business leaders, politicians, doctors, lawyers and scientists.