Comments on: Who Knew: The Clinton Surprise http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2007/10/20/who-knew-the-clinton-surprise/ Political News, Progressive Commentary, Liberal Opinions and Common Sense Conversation... Sat, 11 Feb 2012 13:14:27 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Who Knew: The Clinton Surprise http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2007/10/20/who-knew-the-clinton-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-284 Who Knew: The Clinton Surprise Mon, 22 Oct 2007 20:02:03 +0000 http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2007/10/20/who-knew-the-clinton-surprise/#comment-284 <p>[...] came across this post - Who Knew: The Clinton Surprise - and thought it was worth sharing. I hope you find it interesting too and take the time to read [...]</p> [...] came across this post – Who Knew: The Clinton Surprise – and thought it was worth sharing. I hope you find it interesting too and take the time to read [...]

]]> By: Nick http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2007/10/20/who-knew-the-clinton-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-279 Nick Mon, 22 Oct 2007 12:23:01 +0000 http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2007/10/20/who-knew-the-clinton-surprise/#comment-279 Good God these polls are all over the map. It seems the best conclusion that can be drawn is that Americans are deeply divided (no headline there). I don't question that HIllary can be elected president. I do question whether HIllary's support among lower to middle class voters runs as deep as it did for Kerry in 2004 or for Dems in general in 2006. As Pamela correctly notes "Clinton’s surprising levels of popularity among lower- and middle-class women, white moderate women, even black voters." Great, but what about the men? No I don't expect Hillary to win the male vote, but if she's wiped out there she has little chance of winning (for the record I don't believe Mark Penn's assertion that Hillary would win 20% of the GOP female vote. God no wonder Al Gore fired this guy in 2000). Insofar as black voters are concerned Democrats have won the black vote in every election post-1932 and have won over 85% of the black vote in every election post-1960. Is it really all that shocking that Hillary wins the allegiance of the most Democratic of racial subgroups? Good God these polls are all over the map. It seems the best conclusion that can be drawn is that Americans are deeply divided (no headline there).
I don’t question that HIllary can be elected president. I do question whether HIllary’s support among lower to middle class voters runs as deep as it did for Kerry in 2004 or for Dems in general in 2006. As Pamela correctly notes
“Clinton’s surprising levels of popularity among lower- and middle-class women, white moderate women, even black voters.” Great, but what about the men? No I don’t expect Hillary to win the male vote, but if she’s wiped out there she has little chance of winning (for the record I don’t believe Mark Penn’s assertion that Hillary would win 20% of the GOP female vote. God no wonder Al Gore fired this guy in 2000).
Insofar as black voters are concerned Democrats have won the black vote in every election post-1932 and have won over 85% of the black vote in every election post-1960. Is it really all that shocking that Hillary wins the allegiance of the most Democratic of racial subgroups?

]]> By: Canaan http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2007/10/20/who-knew-the-clinton-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-271 Canaan Mon, 22 Oct 2007 05:45:43 +0000 http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2007/10/20/who-knew-the-clinton-surprise/#comment-271 Very good article, and nice point about Tucker Carlson being 'zip code challenged'. A week before the 2004 election, Carlson said Kerry would win because the Dem base was so fired up. We were fired up, but conservative beltway boy Carlson had no idea what was going on in the heartland -- Ken Mehlman territory. The Clintons know what's happening outside of the beltway. Hillary's message is not elitist. She knows what's going on in people's lives. Very good article, and nice point about Tucker Carlson being ‘zip code challenged’. A week before the 2004 election, Carlson said Kerry would win because the Dem base was so fired up. We were fired up, but conservative beltway boy Carlson had no idea what was going on in the heartland — Ken Mehlman territory. The Clintons know what’s happening outside of the beltway. Hillary’s message is not elitist. She knows what’s going on in people’s lives.

]]> By: Darrell Prows http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2007/10/20/who-knew-the-clinton-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-268 Darrell Prows Sun, 21 Oct 2007 20:52:00 +0000 http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2007/10/20/who-knew-the-clinton-surprise/#comment-268 Jan, Thank you. I always enjoy reading something as astute as this. Jan, Thank you. I always enjoy reading something as astute as this.

]]> By: Jan http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2007/10/20/who-knew-the-clinton-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-259 Jan Sun, 21 Oct 2007 17:12:58 +0000 http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2007/10/20/who-knew-the-clinton-surprise/#comment-259 I find it funny that, when Senator Clinton is running away with the polls, the anti-Clinton supporters suddenly find a poll they like! And this poll (NOTE: interactive) "proves" beyond a shadow of a doubt that (drumroll, please), more than a year before the election, 50% say they wouldn't vote for Clinton. Does it matter to you whatsoever that, in the other polls that you aren't mentioning, she is beating every Democratic candidate, every Republicans cnadidate, winning in all the state polls, AND the one candidate on the Democratic side trending UPWARDS? No, I guess those polls are to be ignored because of your one interactive polls. right? Bah! I find it funny that, when Senator Clinton is running away with the polls, the anti-Clinton supporters suddenly find a poll they like!

And this poll (NOTE: interactive) “proves” beyond a shadow of a doubt that (drumroll, please), more than a year before the election, 50% say they wouldn’t vote for Clinton.

Does it matter to you whatsoever that, in the other polls that you aren’t mentioning, she is beating every Democratic candidate, every Republicans cnadidate, winning in all the state polls, AND the one candidate on the Democratic side trending UPWARDS?

No, I guess those polls are to be ignored because of your one interactive polls. right?
Bah!

]]> By: SunBummer http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2007/10/20/who-knew-the-clinton-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-254 SunBummer Sat, 20 Oct 2007 23:35:27 +0000 http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2007/10/20/who-knew-the-clinton-surprise/#comment-254 <p>Interesting story about a Democrat by another Democrat! It's true, Hillary's a runaway train for the party nomination against her Democrat rival politicians. Unfortunately, the average American citizen won't ever vote to have another Clinton in the White House - thank God! <a href="http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2007/oct/20/poll_half_say_they_would_never_vote_hillary_presid/" rel="nofollow">Reference the attached recent poll</a>.</p> <p></p> <p>Best regards from Naples, FL</p> Interesting story about a Democrat by another Democrat! It’s true, Hillary’s a runaway train for the party nomination against her Democrat rival politicians. Unfortunately, the average American citizen won’t ever vote to have another Clinton in the White House – thank God! Reference the attached recent poll.

Best regards from Naples, FL

]]> By: Darrell Prows http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2007/10/20/who-knew-the-clinton-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-252 Darrell Prows Sat, 20 Oct 2007 23:17:08 +0000 http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2007/10/20/who-knew-the-clinton-surprise/#comment-252 Can a non militaristic, non aggressive person get elected to run this country? That is something we will not find out in 2008. One thing we will find out is that conditions are such that a Republican cannot win this coming race, and a Democrat cannot lose it. And we may well find out that it is finally time to have a woman in the top spot. Can a non militaristic, non aggressive person get elected to run this country? That is something we will not find out in 2008. One thing we will find out is that conditions are such that a Republican cannot win this coming race, and a Democrat cannot lose it. And we may well find out that it is finally time to have a woman in the top spot.

]]> By: Who Knew: The Clinton Surprise http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2007/10/20/who-knew-the-clinton-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-250 Who Knew: The Clinton Surprise Sat, 20 Oct 2007 21:14:24 +0000 http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2007/10/20/who-knew-the-clinton-surprise/#comment-250 <p>[...] Pamela Leavey wrote an interesting post today on Who Knew: The Clinton SurpriseHere’s a quick excerptThe fatigue that many voters feel in battling the day to day trying to get by in the BushCo economy with no health insurance is wearing them down. At this point people want to know that some changes will be made with a new president in … [...]</p> [...] Pamela Leavey wrote an interesting post today on Who Knew: The Clinton SurpriseHere’s a quick excerptThe fatigue that many voters feel in battling the day to day trying to get by in the BushCo economy with no health insurance is wearing them down. At this point people want to know that some changes will be made with a new president in … [...]

]]> By: Who Knew: The Clinton Surprise | Political news - democrats republicans socialists greens liberals conservatives http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2007/10/20/who-knew-the-clinton-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-249 Who Knew: The Clinton Surprise | Political news - democrats republicans socialists greens liberals conservatives Sat, 20 Oct 2007 20:32:55 +0000 http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2007/10/20/who-knew-the-clinton-surprise/#comment-249 [...] post by Pamela Leavey This was written by . Posted on Saturday, October 20, 2007, at 2:14 pm. Filed under [...] [...] post by Pamela Leavey This was written by . Posted on Saturday, October 20, 2007, at 2:14 pm. Filed under [...]

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