Comments on: The Ron Paul Phenomemon http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2007/12/02/the-ron-paul-phenomemon/ Political News, Progressive Commentary, Liberal Opinions and Common Sense Conversation... Thu, 24 May 2012 02:40:50 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Darrell Prows http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2007/12/02/the-ron-paul-phenomemon/comment-page-1/#comment-2068 Darrell Prows Tue, 04 Dec 2007 22:00:58 +0000 http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2007/12/02/the-ron-paul-phenomemon/#comment-2068 Adam: Very well said, Thank you. Adam: Very well said, Thank you.

]]> By: Adam http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2007/12/02/the-ron-paul-phenomemon/comment-page-1/#comment-2016 Adam Tue, 04 Dec 2007 02:55:14 +0000 http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2007/12/02/the-ron-paul-phenomemon/#comment-2016 I am a Democrat who just registered Republican so I can vote for Ron Paul, even if it means my vote is wasted. I am anti-war. It is my biggest issues and I came to realize that Kucinich has no chance, while Paul has a slim chance of winning his respective Primary. Those are my only 2 choices for stopping the mindless slaughter of innocent Iraqi and U.S. lives, and I chose to go with Paul, since it seems like he has raised enough support and awareness to have a shot in hell to win. All other issues are seconday and less important in my mind. Let's face it, most politicans don't accomplish much during their term(s) anyway. I am a Democrat who just registered Republican so I can vote for Ron Paul, even if it means my vote is wasted. I am anti-war. It is my biggest issues and I came to realize that Kucinich has no chance, while Paul has a slim chance of winning his respective Primary.

Those are my only 2 choices for stopping the mindless slaughter of innocent Iraqi and U.S. lives, and I chose to go with Paul, since it seems like he has raised enough support and awareness to have a shot in hell to win.

All other issues are seconday and less important in my mind. Let’s face it, most politicans don’t accomplish much during their term(s) anyway.

]]> By: Darrell Prows http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2007/12/02/the-ron-paul-phenomemon/comment-page-1/#comment-1992 Darrell Prows Mon, 03 Dec 2007 17:07:52 +0000 http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2007/12/02/the-ron-paul-phenomemon/#comment-1992 jmklein: (A) I never said that Rep. Paul lacks strengths. (B) How he would fare against Sen. Clinton is a bridge that we would have to cross if we ever get to it. (C) I agree with immediate withdrawl from Iraq, but I disagree with Rep. Paul that the Constitution was not complied with in the process of our getting involved there. It is a truly stupid war, but it is not an unconstitutional war. jmklein: (A) I never said that Rep. Paul lacks strengths.

(B) How he would fare against Sen. Clinton is a bridge that we would have to cross if we ever get to it.

(C) I agree with immediate withdrawl from Iraq, but I disagree with Rep. Paul that the Constitution was not complied with in the process of our getting involved there. It is a truly stupid war, but it is not an unconstitutional war.

]]> By: jmklein http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2007/12/02/the-ron-paul-phenomemon/comment-page-1/#comment-1990 jmklein Mon, 03 Dec 2007 16:42:16 +0000 http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2007/12/02/the-ron-paul-phenomemon/#comment-1990 How could Hillary beat an anti-war opponent? Everyone knows she voted for the war. Everyone knows she enabled Bush to continue the war, and she herself has not committed to withdrawal by 2014. If Paul ran against Hillary he would take her base out from under her feet. How could Hillary beat an anti-war opponent?

Everyone knows she voted for the war. Everyone knows she enabled Bush to continue the war, and she herself has not committed to withdrawal by 2014.

If Paul ran against Hillary he would take her base out from under her feet.

]]> By: alrudder http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2007/12/02/the-ron-paul-phenomemon/comment-page-1/#comment-1970 alrudder Mon, 03 Dec 2007 06:35:10 +0000 http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2007/12/02/the-ron-paul-phenomemon/#comment-1970 Ron Paul I think is a big threat to the GOP coalition. While a single campaign can be fused by a personality or fear mongering, coalitions are held together by ideas. The fact that Ron Paul will have the money to get his ideas out into the public discourse means that holding the alliance among business interests, social conservatives, and national security hawks will be difficult for GOP leaders. If Ron Paul did get any traction, just google the words "Ron Paul racist" and see what you get. Ron Paul I think is a big threat to the GOP coalition. While a single campaign can be fused by a personality or fear mongering, coalitions are held together by ideas.
The fact that Ron Paul will have the money to get his ideas out into the public discourse means that holding the alliance among business interests, social conservatives, and national security hawks will be difficult for GOP leaders.
If Ron Paul did get any traction, just google the words “Ron Paul racist” and see what you get.

]]> By: mike http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2007/12/02/the-ron-paul-phenomemon/comment-page-1/#comment-1965 mike Mon, 03 Dec 2007 04:27:42 +0000 http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2007/12/02/the-ron-paul-phenomemon/#comment-1965 “Individuals, businesses, localities, and states must be free to negotiate environmental standards.” Localities and states... i.e. local and state governments... “Individuals, businesses, localities, and states must be free to negotiate environmental standards.”

Localities and states… i.e. local and state governments…

]]> By: Pamela Leavey http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2007/12/02/the-ron-paul-phenomemon/comment-page-1/#comment-1963 Pamela Leavey Mon, 03 Dec 2007 04:12:30 +0000 http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2007/12/02/the-ron-paul-phenomemon/#comment-1963 Dr East Thanks so much for sharing. I have to say I agree with Darrell, I don't think the American public would resoundingly vote for Ron Paul in the GE. Dr East

Thanks so much for sharing. I have to say I agree with Darrell, I don’t think the American public would resoundingly vote for Ron Paul in the GE.

]]> By: Dr East http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2007/12/02/the-ron-paul-phenomemon/comment-page-1/#comment-1961 Dr East Mon, 03 Dec 2007 03:34:19 +0000 http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2007/12/02/the-ron-paul-phenomemon/#comment-1961 "However, to try to argue for no role for government in so many areas is just to confine our society to having no solution to a large number of problems" A classic mistake of conflating "society" with "government". Private solutions are more efficient and timely than government solutions. Things get solved in spite of, not because of, government programs, even today. This is actually an ancient part of our national heritage, the belief that individual liberties should always trump those who would practice tyranny... Tyrants can be benevolent. However, that does not justify the tyranny. So don't be too sure that if Ron Paul were nominated he wouldn't win the general election. The competition would instantly cease to be Republican vs. Democrat. It would become Statist vs. Libertarian, and that's a philosophical axis a lot of people don't even think about. Were they forced to think about it, many of them would find themselves falling back on the indoctrination of their childhoods... "...with liberty and justice for all." Just look at the success of Braveheart. You may be a statist at heart, but don't assume that the majority of the country is. Were this election to come up, you'd find a lot of people, even those now on the dole and realizing that the libertarian ideal would preclude the welfare state, and even those looking to requirement and realizing that social security may not exist for their children, voting for the liberty candidate. “However, to try to argue for no role for government in so many areas is just to confine our society to having no solution to a large number of problems”

A classic mistake of conflating “society” with “government”. Private solutions are more efficient and timely than government solutions. Things get solved in spite of, not because of, government programs, even today.

This is actually an ancient part of our national heritage, the belief that individual liberties should always trump those who would practice tyranny… Tyrants can be benevolent. However, that does not justify the tyranny.

So don’t be too sure that if Ron Paul were nominated he wouldn’t win the general election. The competition would instantly cease to be Republican vs. Democrat. It would become Statist vs. Libertarian, and that’s a philosophical axis a lot of people don’t even think about. Were they forced to think about it, many of them would find themselves falling back on the indoctrination of their childhoods…

“…with liberty and justice for all.”

Just look at the success of Braveheart.

You may be a statist at heart, but don’t assume that the majority of the country is. Were this election to come up, you’d find a lot of people, even those now on the dole and realizing that the libertarian ideal would preclude the welfare state, and even those looking to requirement and realizing that social security may not exist for their children, voting for the liberty candidate.

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