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		<title>By: AMERICAN NONSENSE &#187; Defense authorization bill sent to Bush&#8211; without time lines</title>
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		<dc:creator>AMERICAN NONSENSE &#187; Defense authorization bill sent to Bush&#8211; without time lines</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 20:23:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Democratic Daily: Five hundred plus billion dollars for the military, and $190 billion of that authorized just for fighting in the Mideast, with the total package being so popular that it was able to swing 90 votes. I don’t know of any to interpret this other than that we obviously need at least 90 new members of the Senate. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The Democratic Daily: Five hundred plus billion dollars for the military, and $190 billion of that authorized just for fighting in the Mideast, with the total package being so popular that it was able to swing 90 votes. I don’t know of any to interpret this other than that we obviously need at least 90 new members of the Senate. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Darrell Prows</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darrell Prows</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 19:44:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken Larsen: Being ever the optimist, I believe that we could avoid the cataclysim that you describe by taking matters in our own hands at The Second American Constitutional Convention. The people of this nation largely know the truth of the problem as you describe it and, collectively, we have the brain power to design the optimium solution. I&#039;d prefer to see us go that route rather than waiting for things to fall apart, when the only thing we can do is try to figure out how to pick up the pieces.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken Larsen: Being ever the optimist, I believe that we could avoid the cataclysim that you describe by taking matters in our own hands at The Second American Constitutional Convention. The people of this nation largely know the truth of the problem as you describe it and, collectively, we have the brain power to design the optimium solution. I&#8217;d prefer to see us go that route rather than waiting for things to fall apart, when the only thing we can do is try to figure out how to pick up the pieces.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Larson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Larson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 15:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a 2 tour Vietnam Veteran who recently retired after 36 years of working in the Defense Industrial Complex on many of the weapons systems being used by our forces as we speak.

Politicians make no difference.  

We have bought into the Military Industrial Complex (MIC).  If you would like to read how this happens please see:

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/03/spyagency200703 

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/11/halliburton200711

Through a combination of public apathy and threats by the MIC we have let the SYSTEM get too large. It is now a SYSTEMIC problem and the SYSTEM is out of control. Government and industry are merging and that is very dangerous.  

There is no conspiracy. The SYSTEM has gotten so big that those who make it up and run it day to day in industry and government simply are perpetuating their existance.

The politicians rely on them for details and recommendations because they cannot possibly grasp the nuances of the environment and the BIG SYSTEM.

So, the system has to go bust and then be re-scaled, fixed and re-designed to run efficiently and prudently, just like any other big machine that runs poorly or becomes obsolete or dangerous.

This situation will right itself through trauma. I see a government ENRON on the horizon, with an associated house cleaning.

The next president will come and go along with his appointees and politicos. The event to watch is the collapse of the MIC.

For more details see:

http://rosecoveredglasses.blogspot.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a 2 tour Vietnam Veteran who recently retired after 36 years of working in the Defense Industrial Complex on many of the weapons systems being used by our forces as we speak.</p>
<p>Politicians make no difference.  </p>
<p>We have bought into the Military Industrial Complex (MIC).  If you would like to read how this happens please see:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/03/spyagency200703" rel="nofollow">http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/03/spyagency200703</a> </p>
<p><a href="http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/11/halliburton200711" rel="nofollow">http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/11/halliburton200711</a></p>
<p>Through a combination of public apathy and threats by the MIC we have let the SYSTEM get too large. It is now a SYSTEMIC problem and the SYSTEM is out of control. Government and industry are merging and that is very dangerous.  </p>
<p>There is no conspiracy. The SYSTEM has gotten so big that those who make it up and run it day to day in industry and government simply are perpetuating their existance.</p>
<p>The politicians rely on them for details and recommendations because they cannot possibly grasp the nuances of the environment and the BIG SYSTEM.</p>
<p>So, the system has to go bust and then be re-scaled, fixed and re-designed to run efficiently and prudently, just like any other big machine that runs poorly or becomes obsolete or dangerous.</p>
<p>This situation will right itself through trauma. I see a government ENRON on the horizon, with an associated house cleaning.</p>
<p>The next president will come and go along with his appointees and politicos. The event to watch is the collapse of the MIC.</p>
<p>For more details see:</p>
<p><a href="http://rosecoveredglasses.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://rosecoveredglasses.blogspot.com</a></p>
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