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	<title>Comments on: Obama&#8217;s Defense Against the Noise Machine and Other Things That Don&#8217;t Add Up</title>
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		<title>By: Brian Luce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Luce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 14:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bundlers for Barack Obama Who Have Registered as Federal Lobbyists

Your link supports the claims of the Obama campaign. Obama does not  take money from lobbyists. Can  Cliinton  make the same claim? NO SHE CAN&#039;T. Thank you for proving my point. 

So now Obama is the son of privilege? Why distort things? He was raised by a single mom in decidedly middle class surroundings. Even upon graduation from Harvard, he made $13,000 a year as a community organizer. Unlike Hillary, he hasn&#039;t ridden any coat tails or lived in the bubble of the hyper connected for the last 35 years. NO HE HASN&#039;T.

The mainstream media is where most people get their info. We can&#039;t rely on blogs because as your assertion about Obama&#039;s privileged upbringing shows, there&#039;s more spin here than at the Maytag Quality Control Lab.</description>
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<p>Your link supports the claims of the Obama campaign. Obama does not  take money from lobbyists. Can  Cliinton  make the same claim? NO SHE CAN&#8217;T. Thank you for proving my point. </p>
<p>So now Obama is the son of privilege? Why distort things? He was raised by a single mom in decidedly middle class surroundings. Even upon graduation from Harvard, he made $13,000 a year as a community organizer. Unlike Hillary, he hasn&#8217;t ridden any coat tails or lived in the bubble of the hyper connected for the last 35 years. NO HE HASN&#8217;T.</p>
<p>The mainstream media is where most people get their info. We can&#8217;t rely on blogs because as your assertion about Obama&#8217;s privileged upbringing shows, there&#8217;s more spin here than at the Maytag Quality Control Lab.</p>
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		<title>By: Pamela Leavey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pamela Leavey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 07:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian

Funny you should bring up Obama and Lobbyists. 

Here you go: &lt;a href=&quot;http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/02/06/bundlers-for-barack-obama-who-have-registered-as-federal-lobbyists/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Bundlers for Barack Obama Who Have Registered as Federal Lobbyists&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

Oh, and I wouldn&#039;t take everything you hear in the news as truth. The media is controlled by the noise machine. If you bothered to read the first link in the you would get that. 

Funny thing about those insiders priveleged Clintons, you know she attracts more lower and middle income voters than Obama. And seems he&#039;s led a rather priveleged life too. 

Good gracious put down the Bam flavored KoolAid Brian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian</p>
<p>Funny you should bring up Obama and Lobbyists. </p>
<p>Here you go: <a href="http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/02/06/bundlers-for-barack-obama-who-have-registered-as-federal-lobbyists/" rel="nofollow"><strong>Bundlers for Barack Obama Who Have Registered as Federal Lobbyists</strong></a></p>
<p>Oh, and I wouldn&#8217;t take everything you hear in the news as truth. The media is controlled by the noise machine. If you bothered to read the first link in the you would get that. </p>
<p>Funny thing about those insiders priveleged Clintons, you know she attracts more lower and middle income voters than Obama. And seems he&#8217;s led a rather priveleged life too. </p>
<p>Good gracious put down the Bam flavored KoolAid Brian.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Luce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Luce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 07:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Tony Rezko? &lt;a href=&quot;http://weblogs.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/blog/2008/01/photos_surfaces_of_hillary_cli.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Oh you mean this guy&lt;/a&gt;?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tony Rezko? <a href="http://weblogs.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/blog/2008/01/photos_surfaces_of_hillary_cli.html" rel="nofollow">Oh you mean this guy</a>?</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Luce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Luce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 07:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama&#039;s supporters come from small donors. Clinton is financed by the powerful. Obama is ON THE RECORD as not accepting lobbyist money.  This is public record people. Does anyone here watch the news? To portray the Clintons as anything but consumate insiders is crazy. What job did Bill have? PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. It doesn&#039;t get any more inside than that! They&#039;ve been living in the hyper reality of the privileged since the 1960&#039;s at  Yale. That contrasts dramatically from both Obamas. 
And it&#039;s simple to use fact to swift boat, here&#039;s two words from the past: Willie Horton. Remember him? It&#039;s all about context and publicity. You don&#039;t see Obama screaming &quot;Semen stains! White Water! Pot smoking! Futures scams! Perjurer!&quot; 
Btw, according to Newsweek Magazine, Obama does NOT want the Florida and Michigan delegates seated. Here&#039;s a big &quot;Duh&quot; back atcha.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama&#8217;s supporters come from small donors. Clinton is financed by the powerful. Obama is ON THE RECORD as not accepting lobbyist money.  This is public record people. Does anyone here watch the news? To portray the Clintons as anything but consumate insiders is crazy. What job did Bill have? PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. It doesn&#8217;t get any more inside than that! They&#8217;ve been living in the hyper reality of the privileged since the 1960&#8217;s at  Yale. That contrasts dramatically from both Obamas.<br />
And it&#8217;s simple to use fact to swift boat, here&#8217;s two words from the past: Willie Horton. Remember him? It&#8217;s all about context and publicity. You don&#8217;t see Obama screaming &#8220;Semen stains! White Water! Pot smoking! Futures scams! Perjurer!&#8221;<br />
Btw, according to Newsweek Magazine, Obama does NOT want the Florida and Michigan delegates seated. Here&#8217;s a big &#8220;Duh&#8221; back atcha.</p>
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		<title>By: Pamela Leavey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pamela Leavey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 05:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CJBushwacker

You are right about the young voters not knowing much about the past few decades of history. The schools don&#039;t teach much on it - my daughter graduated high school last June. 

Also the there&#039;s a piece here on what Obama said about &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.newsmax.com/politics/obama/2008/02/06/70595.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;getting by Clinton&#039;s research team&lt;/a&gt;. 

He&#039;s dreaming if he thinks he&#039;s seen all there is that can get thrown at him</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CJBushwacker</p>
<p>You are right about the young voters not knowing much about the past few decades of history. The schools don&#8217;t teach much on it &#8211; my daughter graduated high school last June. </p>
<p>Also the there&#8217;s a piece here on what Obama said about <a href="http://www.newsmax.com/politics/obama/2008/02/06/70595.html" rel="nofollow">getting by Clinton&#8217;s research team</a>. </p>
<p>He&#8217;s dreaming if he thinks he&#8217;s seen all there is that can get thrown at him</p>
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		<title>By: CJbushwacker</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 03:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S. I saw a where Obama said if he couldget by the  Clinton &#039;s research team, he could easily fight off the GOP swfitboaters. that shows he he doesn&#039;t get it. It doesn&#039;t matter if it&#039;s true, it&#039;s if it&#039;s perceived to be true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S. I saw a where Obama said if he couldget by the  Clinton &#8217;s research team, he could easily fight off the GOP swfitboaters. that shows he he doesn&#8217;t get it. It doesn&#8217;t matter if it&#8217;s true, it&#8217;s if it&#8217;s perceived to be true.</p>
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		<title>By: CJbushwacker</title>
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		<dc:creator>CJbushwacker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 03:48:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many of the young obama supporters have just recently gotten interested in politics and they are not aware of the history of the past few decades. After Nixon was forced out of office to avoid being inpeached and convicted, the right wing began building up the right wing media outlets that would assure that something like that again. When Reagan came to power (by allegedly making a deal to hold the hostages in Iran untill after the election)While in power  he ended the fairness in broadasting act, where both parties would have equal time on the air waves. This led to all the Russ Limbaugh types to take over talk radio and push the &quot;liberal media&quot; to the far right( they say  that  journalist learned early on in  the Reagon years  that  it was bad for their carreer to  cross the GOP party line. Reagon and HW Bush escape prosecution in Iran-Contra because of this.When Bill Clinton had the audacity to kick their ass the went after him and Hillary with full force. Despite 8 years of bombardment, the Clintons were able to have 8 years of peace and prosperity. He was  so successful that he left office with an 80% approval rating , despite the bogus attempt to impeach him ( which was said to be pay back for Nixon) 

Geoge W Bush won the election because this &quot;liberal media&quot; made Gore out to be a serial liar and Kerry was a  A traitor  who didn&#039;t earn his metals.If you think that what Bill Clinton said was swiftboating(since when is stating a FACT is swiftboating?) then sit back and watch what they can do to Arfrican-American  with a name that sounds like Osama Husein</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many of the young obama supporters have just recently gotten interested in politics and they are not aware of the history of the past few decades. After Nixon was forced out of office to avoid being inpeached and convicted, the right wing began building up the right wing media outlets that would assure that something like that again. When Reagan came to power (by allegedly making a deal to hold the hostages in Iran untill after the election)While in power  he ended the fairness in broadasting act, where both parties would have equal time on the air waves. This led to all the Russ Limbaugh types to take over talk radio and push the &#8220;liberal media&#8221; to the far right( they say  that  journalist learned early on in  the Reagon years  that  it was bad for their carreer to  cross the GOP party line. Reagon and HW Bush escape prosecution in Iran-Contra because of this.When Bill Clinton had the audacity to kick their ass the went after him and Hillary with full force. Despite 8 years of bombardment, the Clintons were able to have 8 years of peace and prosperity. He was  so successful that he left office with an 80% approval rating , despite the bogus attempt to impeach him ( which was said to be pay back for Nixon) </p>
<p>Geoge W Bush won the election because this &#8220;liberal media&#8221; made Gore out to be a serial liar and Kerry was a  A traitor  who didn&#8217;t earn his metals.If you think that what Bill Clinton said was swiftboating(since when is stating a FACT is swiftboating?) then sit back and watch what they can do to Arfrican-American  with a name that sounds like Osama Husein</p>
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		<title>By: bjerryberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>bjerryberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 03:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some unsolicited  advice, Pamela...

It is not necessary to argue tit-for-tat with fantasy-ridden Obama supporters. 

 It is not about Barry&#039;s  &#039;stated positions,&#039;  it is about his prime sponsors and their intentions.

Barry Obama&#039;s lavish promotion in the media and access to limitless funds suggests that he is the Establishment&#039;s intended losing Dem 
candidate this year. 

And  lotsa luck proving otherwise, since the Tony Rezko-Organized Crime dossier has now leaked in the British press.

Corporate media in the USA will give Barry a pass--for awhile-- in the hope that he can knock out Hillary. Then,  he is history.

As such, Obama is, today,  a stalking horse for billionaire Bloomberg&#039;s candidacy--Wall Street&#039;s choice--until proven otherwise. 

Mussolini-imitator Bloomberg, of course, is the checkbook who re-elected Joe &#039;Nuke Iran&#039; Lieberman to the US Senate. And who hired Caroline Kennedy to help him privatize NYC&#039;s schools.

Fegela Mike espouses a bi-partisan kind of fascism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some unsolicited  advice, Pamela&#8230;</p>
<p>It is not necessary to argue tit-for-tat with fantasy-ridden Obama supporters. </p>
<p> It is not about Barry&#8217;s  &#8217;stated positions,&#8217;  it is about his prime sponsors and their intentions.</p>
<p>Barry Obama&#8217;s lavish promotion in the media and access to limitless funds suggests that he is the Establishment&#8217;s intended losing Dem<br />
candidate this year. </p>
<p>And  lotsa luck proving otherwise, since the Tony Rezko-Organized Crime dossier has now leaked in the British press.</p>
<p>Corporate media in the USA will give Barry a pass&#8211;for awhile&#8211; in the hope that he can knock out Hillary. Then,  he is history.</p>
<p>As such, Obama is, today,  a stalking horse for billionaire Bloomberg&#8217;s candidacy&#8211;Wall Street&#8217;s choice&#8211;until proven otherwise. </p>
<p>Mussolini-imitator Bloomberg, of course, is the checkbook who re-elected Joe &#8216;Nuke Iran&#8217; Lieberman to the US Senate. And who hired Caroline Kennedy to help him privatize NYC&#8217;s schools.</p>
<p>Fegela Mike espouses a bi-partisan kind of fascism.</p>
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		<title>By: Pamela Leavey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pamela Leavey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 23:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian

You totally missed the point. That&#039;s my point. The Ferrar point was hypothetical. The drug points were based on facts about drug use and the fact that the Obama team spun it as a racist comment. It was not. Drug use is prevelent in all in many demographics in this country. It&#039;s not a race specific issue. 

The Clintons were not engaging in swift boating to say so diminishes the reality of what swift boating is and what John Kerry went through at the hands of the swift boaters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian</p>
<p>You totally missed the point. That&#8217;s my point. The Ferrar point was hypothetical. The drug points were based on facts about drug use and the fact that the Obama team spun it as a racist comment. It was not. Drug use is prevelent in all in many demographics in this country. It&#8217;s not a race specific issue. </p>
<p>The Clintons were not engaging in swift boating to say so diminishes the reality of what swift boating is and what John Kerry went through at the hands of the swift boaters.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Luce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Luce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 23:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1) I made no connection whatsoever to drugs and race. My point was about Clinton Swiftboaters and dirty tricks.

2) No one from the Obama camp has made any Geraldine Ferrar/womens references! That&#039;s the point!!! 

3) Okay, let me get this right, Chicago has a rep for dirty politics. Obama is from Chicago. Therefore Obama is a dirty politician.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) I made no connection whatsoever to drugs and race. My point was about Clinton Swiftboaters and dirty tricks.</p>
<p>2) No one from the Obama camp has made any Geraldine Ferrar/womens references! That&#8217;s the point!!! </p>
<p>3) Okay, let me get this right, Chicago has a rep for dirty politics. Obama is from Chicago. Therefore Obama is a dirty politician.</p>
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		<title>By: Pamela Leavey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pamela Leavey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 22:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian

1) I wasn&#039;t aware that &quot;drug use&quot; was a race indictive issue. 

It&#039;s not. 

Drug use is prevelent among a broad spectrum of demographics in this country, so if any thing the Obama camp turned the issue into race, because it was never said by the Clinton campaign surrogate, Bill Shaheen that brought it up, that it was a race issue. 

2) I look at the Jackson statement from Bill Clinton thusly: If someone from the Obama camp noted that Hillary won in a state that say Geraldine Ferrar won in, would it be called a sexist statement? I doubt it. 

3) For all the cries of indignance from Obama supporters that Clinton&#039;s played the race card, which they did not in my opinion, Obama certainly has benefited from being the Black candidate.  Don&#039;t ya think? 

Chicago politicians have been doing Rove for decades and that&#039;s where Obama learned to play the game. Get a clue. 

Obama has been playing dirty &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0607/Oppo_bounty.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;for months now&lt;/a&gt;. But all you Obama supporters do is whine that it&#039;s all the Clintons. That is bull shit. Sheer, utter bull shit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian</p>
<p>1) I wasn&#8217;t aware that &#8220;drug use&#8221; was a race indictive issue. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not. </p>
<p>Drug use is prevelent among a broad spectrum of demographics in this country, so if any thing the Obama camp turned the issue into race, because it was never said by the Clinton campaign surrogate, Bill Shaheen that brought it up, that it was a race issue. </p>
<p>2) I look at the Jackson statement from Bill Clinton thusly: If someone from the Obama camp noted that Hillary won in a state that say Geraldine Ferrar won in, would it be called a sexist statement? I doubt it. </p>
<p>3) For all the cries of indignance from Obama supporters that Clinton&#8217;s played the race card, which they did not in my opinion, Obama certainly has benefited from being the Black candidate.  Don&#8217;t ya think? </p>
<p>Chicago politicians have been doing Rove for decades and that&#8217;s where Obama learned to play the game. Get a clue. </p>
<p>Obama has been playing dirty <a href="http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0607/Oppo_bounty.html" rel="nofollow">for months now</a>. But all you Obama supporters do is whine that it&#8217;s all the Clintons. That is bull shit. Sheer, utter bull shit.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Luce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Luce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 22:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill Clinton raised the spectre of Jesse Jackson in an attempt to minimize Obama  and remind all the white folks that this upstart is not viable outside socalled Black states. It was a fully transparent and sleazy attempt to pigeon hole Obama as the &quot;Black&quot; candidate.  Meanwhile, Clinton surrogates were reflecting on the Obama candidacy with the following language &quot;Drugs, cocaine, marijuana, drug dealing, cocaine, cocaine, cocaine, read his book....&quot;  I won&#039;t even get into the email stuff that was going on. 

The Clintons were doing Rove before Rove was doing Rove.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill Clinton raised the spectre of Jesse Jackson in an attempt to minimize Obama  and remind all the white folks that this upstart is not viable outside socalled Black states. It was a fully transparent and sleazy attempt to pigeon hole Obama as the &#8220;Black&#8221; candidate.  Meanwhile, Clinton surrogates were reflecting on the Obama candidacy with the following language &#8220;Drugs, cocaine, marijuana, drug dealing, cocaine, cocaine, cocaine, read his book&#8230;.&#8221;  I won&#8217;t even get into the email stuff that was going on. </p>
<p>The Clintons were doing Rove before Rove was doing Rove.</p>
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