Comments on: Join The Movement or Has the Obamamania Gotten Out of Hand http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/02/07/join-the-movement-or-has-the-obamamania-gotten-out-of-hand/ Political News, Progressive Commentary, Liberal Opinions and Common Sense Conversation... Sat, 11 Feb 2012 13:14:27 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: TPL http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/02/07/join-the-movement-or-has-the-obamamania-gotten-out-of-hand/comment-page-1/#comment-6443 TPL Sat, 01 Mar 2008 05:43:52 +0000 http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/02/07/join-the-movement-or-has-the-obamamania-gotten-out-of-hand/#comment-6443 I am in extreme shock at the gullibility of such a large number of Americans in jumping on the Obama Bandwagon. Here is a candidate who one year ago was referred to by fellow Black Americans as a fake, a phoney, even an "Uncle Tom", and yes I heard "Oreo" as well. Now all of the sudden he has become the "Black Messiah", and I fail to understand where the sudden turn in opinions came from. All of Black America seems to have forgotten where they stood not more than one year ago. What brought forth such gullibility, and amnesia? Well, Obama's campaign managers knew that he could not win without the support of Black Americans. They knew his weakness was that Black America saw no connection to Obama, as he was raised by a white mother, in middle class Hawaii, and when not there was either in Kansas, or attending an Islamic Academy in Indonesia (it is debated as to whether or not it is a Mudrassa, but it is fact that it IS an Islamic Academy). Obama never grew up through the struggles in a racially divided America, or even knew what it meant to struggle period as his entire education was bought and paid for all the way through Harvard Law School. So, just how did Obama's campaign managers handle this problem? They gained access to every Black Church they could lay their hands on, made donations, and thus convinced the Pastors that Obama was a true Black American who understood the many issues facing Black America. They in turn convinced their congregations (mostly Black Americans), that Obama was their man, and that he would represent them and their cause in The White House. Thus began the change in attitude towards Obama and his connections to Black America. Race issues aside, Americans have become so brainwashed in following Obama that they fail to realize his speeches never make sense, and always represent contradictions. One week he speaks of pulling out of Iraq, then the very next week he speaks of invading Pakistan, which not only happens to be our ally, but also a Nuclear Power. So which is it, we cut-and-run in Iraq where we are currently facing a real enemy? Or do we invade Pakistan, cause a governmental collapse, and allow the radical terrorists to seize Nuclear Armaments? It is such inconsistencies that truly disturb me. It is as those currently following Obama fail to even understand where he stands, and fall head over heels for his double-talk. There are so many great Black Americans that have the experience, tenacity, and sound judgment to be our History making United States President. Obama however is not one of them, as his rhetoric is empty, his judgment lacking, and his past extremely controversial. We need a Colin Powell or Condi Rice to lead us, and to represent us, or at the very least a Black American with a similar amount of experience, intelligence, and moral character. It would be a great shame to elect our First "Black" American President based off of nothing more than their perceived race. We need to use more discretion, and elect our First Black American President not simply because of the fact they would be just that, but because they would be the best candidate, and one which we could all be proud of in taking the United States on into the future. Making rash judgments, such as many seem to be in line for now, never helps anyone. If anything, such compulsive actions lead to severe problems, and issues which we may all later regret. Remember, this will not be the last Black American candidate, and he is certainly not the best we have to offer. Be proud, but be wise. God Bless Equality, and God Bless America. I am in extreme shock at the gullibility of such a large number of Americans in jumping on the Obama Bandwagon. Here is a candidate who one year ago was referred to by fellow Black Americans as a fake, a phoney, even an “Uncle Tom”, and yes I heard “Oreo” as well. Now all of the sudden he has become the “Black Messiah”, and I fail to understand where the sudden turn in opinions came from. All of Black America seems to have forgotten where they stood not more than one year ago. What brought forth such gullibility, and amnesia? Well, Obama’s campaign managers knew that he could not win without the support of Black Americans. They knew his weakness was that Black America saw no connection to Obama, as he was raised by a white mother, in middle class Hawaii, and when not there was either in Kansas, or attending an Islamic Academy in Indonesia (it is debated as to whether or not it is a Mudrassa, but it is fact that it IS an Islamic Academy). Obama never grew up through the struggles in a racially divided America, or even knew what it meant to struggle period as his entire education was bought and paid for all the way through Harvard Law School.

So, just how did Obama’s campaign managers handle this problem? They gained access to every Black Church they could lay their hands on, made donations, and thus convinced the Pastors that Obama was a true Black American who understood the many issues facing Black America. They in turn convinced their congregations (mostly Black Americans), that Obama was their man, and that he would represent them and their cause in The White House. Thus began the change in attitude towards Obama and his connections to Black America.

Race issues aside, Americans have become so brainwashed in following Obama that they fail to realize his speeches never make sense, and always represent contradictions. One week he speaks of pulling out of Iraq, then the very next week he speaks of invading Pakistan, which not only happens to be our ally, but also a Nuclear Power. So which is it, we cut-and-run in Iraq where we are currently facing a real enemy? Or do we invade Pakistan, cause a governmental collapse, and allow the radical terrorists to seize Nuclear Armaments?

It is such inconsistencies that truly disturb me. It is as those currently following Obama fail to even understand where he stands, and fall head over heels for his double-talk.

There are so many great Black Americans that have the experience, tenacity, and sound judgment to be our History making United States President. Obama however is not one of them, as his rhetoric is empty, his judgment lacking, and his past extremely controversial. We need a Colin Powell or Condi Rice to lead us, and to represent us, or at the very least a Black American with a similar amount of experience, intelligence, and moral character. It would be a great shame to elect our First “Black” American President based off of nothing more than their perceived race. We need to use more discretion, and elect our First Black American President not simply because of the fact they would be just that, but because they would be the best candidate, and one which we could all be proud of in taking the United States on into the future. Making rash judgments, such as many seem to be in line for now, never helps anyone. If anything, such compulsive actions lead to severe problems, and issues which we may all later regret. Remember, this will not be the last Black American candidate, and he is certainly not the best we have to offer. Be proud, but be wise. God Bless Equality, and God Bless America.

]]> By: Darrell Prows http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/02/07/join-the-movement-or-has-the-obamamania-gotten-out-of-hand/comment-page-1/#comment-5432 Darrell Prows Sat, 09 Feb 2008 22:34:13 +0000 http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/02/07/join-the-movement-or-has-the-obamamania-gotten-out-of-hand/#comment-5432 Marcia: All you say is true, but beyong that McCain is a flack. He's also an onld flack. And dull. All of which makes him the [erfect Repiblican candidate this time. Marcia: All you say is true, but beyong that McCain is a flack. He’s also an onld flack. And dull. All of which makes him the [erfect Repiblican candidate this time.

]]> By: Marcia http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/02/07/join-the-movement-or-has-the-obamamania-gotten-out-of-hand/comment-page-1/#comment-5382 Marcia Sat, 09 Feb 2008 05:31:40 +0000 http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/02/07/join-the-movement-or-has-the-obamamania-gotten-out-of-hand/#comment-5382 Brian, You remarked that Sen. McCain is such an honarable man. I just have a few statements about that. First, I live in Arizona, McCain's home state. We in Arizona, have heard all about McCain and how he conducts himself. I do not know how old you are but you need to research why John McCain was part of the "Keating 5 ". He played quite a part in Charles Keating's savings & loan version of junk bonds. How Charles Keating was the only one to go to prison for that is beyond me. Obviously, there was more than 1 person coordinating all those lies. Many Saving & loan customers were financially wiped out after that. Secondly, his wife Cindy, is the only heir to the Hensley beer distribution (trucking) company. Her family has ties to the Joe Bonano family (yes, as in mafia). The Joe Bonano family even invited Sen. McCain & wife to Joe Bonano's 75th birthday. Which of course, Sen. McCain wrote a respectful letter to the Bonano family declining the invitation. While I respect his service for our country, I do not think he is an honorable man like you think he is. You need to do your homework Brian. Brian,

You remarked that Sen. McCain is such an honarable man. I just have a few statements about that.

First, I live in Arizona, McCain’s home state. We in Arizona, have heard all about McCain and how he conducts himself.
I do not know how old you are but you need to research why John McCain was part of the “Keating 5 “. He played quite a part in Charles Keating’s savings & loan version of junk bonds. How Charles Keating was the only one to go to prison for that is beyond me. Obviously, there was more than 1 person coordinating all those lies. Many Saving & loan customers were financially wiped out after that.

Secondly, his wife Cindy, is the only heir to the Hensley beer distribution (trucking) company. Her family has ties to the Joe Bonano family (yes, as in mafia). The Joe Bonano family even invited Sen. McCain & wife to Joe Bonano’s 75th birthday. Which of course, Sen. McCain wrote a respectful letter to the Bonano family declining the invitation.
While I respect his service for our country, I do not think he is an honorable man like you think he is.
You need to do your homework Brian.

]]> By: Pamela Leavey http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/02/07/join-the-movement-or-has-the-obamamania-gotten-out-of-hand/comment-page-1/#comment-5378 Pamela Leavey Sat, 09 Feb 2008 03:30:04 +0000 http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/02/07/join-the-movement-or-has-the-obamamania-gotten-out-of-hand/#comment-5378 Oh and Brian, you know Obama criticized Clinton for crossing party lines and working with McCain on some issues, but in fact that is what he is proposing to be bi-partisan. His criticism of Clinton is hypocritical. So too is yours. Oh and Brian, you know Obama criticized Clinton for crossing party lines and working with McCain on some issues, but in fact that is what he is proposing to be bi-partisan. His criticism of Clinton is hypocritical. So too is yours.

]]> By: Pamela Leavey http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/02/07/join-the-movement-or-has-the-obamamania-gotten-out-of-hand/comment-page-1/#comment-5377 Pamela Leavey Sat, 09 Feb 2008 03:28:28 +0000 http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/02/07/join-the-movement-or-has-the-obamamania-gotten-out-of-hand/#comment-5377 Brian Three great issues? Whew, you got those Obama talking points memorized I see. Funny how your <a href="http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/01/21/top-issues/" rel="nofollow">3 great issues are his</a>. Isn't it funny. Think for yourself much? Brian

Three great issues? Whew, you got those Obama talking points memorized I see. Funny how your 3 great issues are his. Isn’t it funny. Think for yourself much?

]]> By: Brian Luce http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/02/07/join-the-movement-or-has-the-obamamania-gotten-out-of-hand/comment-page-1/#comment-5376 Brian Luce Sat, 09 Feb 2008 03:11:52 +0000 http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/02/07/join-the-movement-or-has-the-obamamania-gotten-out-of-hand/#comment-5376 Policy wise, Obama and Clinton stand for pretty much the same thing. So the question becomes who can get it done. In my book, there are 3 great issues for the next president: Global warming, health care, and Iraq. Though possibly good to go on the first two, but on the third she IS the problem not the solution. That's why I'm, voting for Obama. 4,000/100,000/one trillion. I can't gloss over that. Further, by history, she has a hard time getting things accomplished (health care, attorney general nominations) because she's so polarizing. We need someone who can get things done, some republicans are already moving to Obama and he's known as a consensus builder skilled at reaching out to the other side. 8 years of republican obstructionism is not what we need. GWB did a job on America, it's going to take a lot to reset everything. I'm so tired of division, and that's one of the legacies of the Bush/Clinton dynasties. I dislike the Tom Delays of the world but they have to be managed and finessed. Hillary will just antagonize them and they'll find ways to block, distract, and harass. Meanwhile the ice caps melt. Policy wise, Obama and Clinton stand for pretty much the same thing. So the question becomes who can get it done. In my book, there are 3 great issues for the next president: Global warming, health care, and Iraq. Though possibly good to go on the first two, but on the third she IS the problem not the solution. That’s why I’m, voting for Obama. 4,000/100,000/one trillion. I can’t gloss over that.

Further, by history, she has a hard time getting things accomplished (health care, attorney general nominations) because she’s so polarizing. We need someone who can get things done, some republicans are already moving to Obama and he’s known as a consensus builder skilled at reaching out to the other side. 8 years of republican obstructionism is not what we need. GWB did a job on America, it’s going to take a lot to reset everything. I’m so tired of division, and that’s one of the legacies of the Bush/Clinton dynasties. I dislike the Tom Delays of the world but they have to be managed and finessed. Hillary will just antagonize them and they’ll find ways to block, distract, and harass. Meanwhile the ice caps melt.

]]> By: Pamela Leavey http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/02/07/join-the-movement-or-has-the-obamamania-gotten-out-of-hand/comment-page-1/#comment-5374 Pamela Leavey Sat, 09 Feb 2008 01:52:44 +0000 http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/02/07/join-the-movement-or-has-the-obamamania-gotten-out-of-hand/#comment-5374 Brian Do us a favor - if you are an Obama supporter, spend your time here telling us why you support Obama, instead of bashing Hillary and or Bill. You have repeated the same talking points here for days and it's getting old. Brian

Do us a favor – if you are an Obama supporter, spend your time here telling us why you support Obama, instead of bashing Hillary and or Bill. You have repeated the same talking points here for days and it’s getting old.

]]> By: Brian Luce http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/02/07/join-the-movement-or-has-the-obamamania-gotten-out-of-hand/comment-page-1/#comment-5371 Brian Luce Sat, 09 Feb 2008 00:55:34 +0000 http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/02/07/join-the-movement-or-has-the-obamamania-gotten-out-of-hand/#comment-5371 Janis, I don't agree with much of what you're saying. Obama fought Hillary to a draw in the Hollywood debate--that's what the punditocracy is saying at least--you probably saw it differently. The prior debate, the South Carolina massacre, obviously didn't serve Hillary's interests. Bill Clinton apologized for racializing the South Carolina primary, the video is on this blog. Maybe you don't think racializing is bad or dirty--others do. Janis,

I don’t agree with much of what you’re saying. Obama fought Hillary to a draw in the Hollywood debate–that’s what the punditocracy is saying at least–you probably saw it differently. The prior debate, the South Carolina massacre, obviously didn’t serve Hillary’s interests.

Bill Clinton apologized for racializing the South Carolina primary, the video is on this blog. Maybe you don’t think racializing is bad or dirty–others do.

]]> By: Pamela Leavey http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/02/07/join-the-movement-or-has-the-obamamania-gotten-out-of-hand/comment-page-1/#comment-5368 Pamela Leavey Sat, 09 Feb 2008 00:00:00 +0000 http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/02/07/join-the-movement-or-has-the-obamamania-gotten-out-of-hand/#comment-5368 Brian Bush just endorsed McCain today incase you missed it. The money will roll in now for him. The idea that Obama, who has shown he is a weak debater can go against the guy is patently absurd. The idea also that Clinton's vetted him is also patently absurd. Contrary to the belief that the Clinton's play oh so dirty, we (meaning Democrats in general) typically don't dig in the dirt the way the GOP will. It's naive to assume so. Brian

Bush just endorsed McCain today incase you missed it. The money will roll in now for him. The idea that Obama, who has shown he is a weak debater can go against the guy is patently absurd. The idea also that Clinton’s vetted him is also patently absurd. Contrary to the belief that the Clinton’s play oh so dirty, we (meaning Democrats in general) typically don’t dig in the dirt the way the GOP will. It’s naive to assume so.

]]> By: Brian Luce http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/02/07/join-the-movement-or-has-the-obamamania-gotten-out-of-hand/comment-page-1/#comment-5367 Brian Luce Fri, 08 Feb 2008 23:52:10 +0000 http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/02/07/join-the-movement-or-has-the-obamamania-gotten-out-of-hand/#comment-5367 This is quite simple actually Janis, let me put it this way, for argument's sake, let's say Bill Clinton was the best president in the history of the universe. And let's say, not for argument's sake, but factually, that GW Bush is the worst president in the history of the universe. They're two different clans but the are still part of the same continuum. And I'm still sick of them. It's not healthy for two families to dominate the landscape for 36 years straight. A lot of us out here want new blood. Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton? uh uh. It's time for a new face. Also consider that the Clinton political machine is the world's finest. A lot better than McCain's. McCain doesn't even have pollsters and a recent press photo showed him deplaning from a luxurious Southwest Airlines 737. If anyone's mastered opposition research, it's the Clintons. If the dirt you say is there, the Clintons would surely be exploiting it at this point. Their only play so far was Hillary's counterpunch about about Obama representing a slum lord. There's been very ltttle follow up on that because it's factually wrong. At the time of Obama's 2 degrees of separation contact with Rezco, Rezco was lauded as a provider of quality low income housing. Aside from the slum lord rim shot, the only other dirt is Obama's admission that he played around with drugs as a teenager 30 years ago. Bill tried to run with that one too--he was last seen, in vintage form apologizing for his remarks on MSNBC then immediately adding the qualifier that his remarks were all "Factually accurate". Whatever Bill, at least Obama had brains enough to inhale! If you ask me, this is all a red herring, John McCain is an honorable man. I've watched this guy for a long time, he's one of the few Republican's whose all-american apple pie image isn't a lie. He's the real deal with crossover appeal. Hillary is big target, Obama seems fairly clean so far, but I don't think it'll matter, McCain won't go there. Everyone thinks this election will be a replay of past elections--but the stars in the midst of realignment--we should expect the unexpected not business as usual. This is quite simple actually Janis, let me put it this way, for argument’s sake, let’s say Bill Clinton was the best president in the history of the universe. And let’s say, not for argument’s sake, but factually, that GW Bush is the worst president in the history of the universe. They’re two different clans but the are still part of the same continuum. And I’m still sick of them. It’s not healthy for two families to dominate the landscape for 36 years straight. A lot of us out here want new blood. Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton? uh uh. It’s time for a new face.

Also consider that the Clinton political machine is the world’s finest. A lot better than McCain’s. McCain doesn’t even have pollsters and a recent press photo showed him deplaning from a luxurious Southwest Airlines 737. If anyone’s mastered opposition research, it’s the Clintons. If the dirt you say is there, the Clintons would surely be exploiting it at this point. Their only play so far was Hillary’s counterpunch about about Obama representing a slum lord. There’s been very ltttle follow up on that because it’s factually wrong. At the time of Obama’s 2 degrees of separation contact with Rezco, Rezco was lauded as a provider of quality low income housing. Aside from the slum lord rim shot, the only other dirt is Obama’s admission that he played around with drugs as a teenager 30 years ago. Bill tried to run with that one too–he was last seen, in vintage form apologizing for his remarks on MSNBC then immediately adding the qualifier that his remarks were all “Factually accurate”. Whatever Bill, at least Obama had brains enough to inhale!

If you ask me, this is all a red herring, John McCain is an honorable man. I’ve watched this guy for a long time, he’s one of the few Republican’s whose all-american apple pie image isn’t a lie. He’s the real deal with crossover appeal. Hillary is big target, Obama seems fairly clean so far, but I don’t think it’ll matter, McCain won’t go there. Everyone thinks this election will be a replay of past elections–but the stars in the midst of realignment–we should expect the unexpected not business as usual.

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