Comments on: Her Loss, My Loss/ Her Victory, My Victory http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/02/20/her-loss-my-loss-her-victory-my-victory/ Political News, Progressive Commentary, Liberal Opinions and Common Sense Conversation... Thu, 18 Mar 2010 16:09:22 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Pamela Leavey http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/02/20/her-loss-my-loss-her-victory-my-victory/comment-page-1/#comment-6131 Pamela Leavey Sun, 24 Feb 2008 18:22:59 +0000 http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/02/20/her-loss-my-loss-her-victory-my-victory/#comment-6131 Andy When you mock a writer here (not me but another writer) for saying she identifies with Clinton, it doesn't look good in my eyes. Your earlier comment would not have gotten such a strong reaction if it had included your reasoning for supporting Obama, rather than just mocking JoAnne saying "I am Hillary." The mock was a subtle dig at a women who identified with Hillary for valid reasons. Thanks for clarifying your thoughts on both Hillary and Obama. Andy

When you mock a writer here (not me but another writer) for saying she identifies with Clinton, it doesn’t look good in my eyes.

Your earlier comment would not have gotten such a strong reaction if it had included your reasoning for supporting Obama, rather than just mocking JoAnne saying “I am Hillary.”

The mock was a subtle dig at a women who identified with Hillary for valid reasons. Thanks for clarifying your thoughts on both Hillary and Obama.

]]> By: Andy Witmyer http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/02/20/her-loss-my-loss-her-victory-my-victory/comment-page-1/#comment-6130 Andy Witmyer Sun, 24 Feb 2008 17:57:12 +0000 http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/02/20/her-loss-my-loss-her-victory-my-victory/#comment-6130 Pamela - you seem to be subtly accusing me of sexism. I understand that you're supporting Hillary because you're a woman and you feel empowered by her - but let me set the record straight. I'm not against Hillary because she's a female - I'm against Hillary because I'm burned out with the Clintons. I have Clinton Fatigue. I also have issues with the constitutionality of this - yeah, I know it's perfectly legal for her to run - but I find the whole thing to be a little too close to a 3-4 term presidency for comfort. My reasons for supporting Obama have absolutely nothing to do with Hillary's gender. Pamela – you seem to be subtly accusing me of sexism. I understand that you’re supporting Hillary because you’re a woman and you feel empowered by her – but let me set the record straight. I’m not against Hillary because she’s a female – I’m against Hillary because I’m burned out with the Clintons. I have Clinton Fatigue. I also have issues with the constitutionality of this – yeah, I know it’s perfectly legal for her to run – but I find the whole thing to be a little too close to a 3-4 term presidency for comfort.

My reasons for supporting Obama have absolutely nothing to do with Hillary’s gender.

]]> By: Darrell Prows http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/02/20/her-loss-my-loss-her-victory-my-victory/comment-page-1/#comment-6034 Darrell Prows Sat, 23 Feb 2008 03:53:35 +0000 http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/02/20/her-loss-my-loss-her-victory-my-victory/#comment-6034 A ton of votes left. It must be hard as hell to figure out how to campaign from behind in a proportional setting. A ton of votes left. It must be hard as hell to figure out how to campaign from behind in a proportional setting.

]]> By: JoAnne Tybinka Blasko http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/02/20/her-loss-my-loss-her-victory-my-victory/comment-page-1/#comment-5982 JoAnne Tybinka Blasko Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:56:39 +0000 http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/02/20/her-loss-my-loss-her-victory-my-victory/#comment-5982 Re the 1200 remaining delegates, not counting super-delegates: I found an article in the Wall Street Journal, Wednesday, Feb 20 page A12. It braks down the remaining delegates by state: Here they are: March 4 Ohio 162 Rhode Island 33 Texas 228 Vermont 23 March 8 Wyoming 18 March 11 Mississippi 40 April 22 Pennsylvania 187 May 3 Guam 9 May 6 Indiana 83 North Carolina 134 May 13 West Virginia 39 May 20 Kentucky 60 Oregon 65 June 3 Montana 24 South Dakota 23 June 7 Puerto Rico 63 Re the 1200 remaining delegates, not counting super-delegates: I found an article in the Wall Street Journal, Wednesday, Feb 20 page A12. It braks down the remaining delegates by state:
Here they are:
March 4 Ohio 162
Rhode Island 33
Texas 228
Vermont 23

March 8
Wyoming 18
March 11
Mississippi 40
April 22
Pennsylvania 187
May 3
Guam 9
May 6
Indiana 83
North Carolina 134
May 13 West Virginia 39
May 20 Kentucky 60
Oregon 65
June 3 Montana 24
South Dakota 23
June 7 Puerto Rico 63

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]]> By: Pamela Leavey http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/02/20/her-loss-my-loss-her-victory-my-victory/comment-page-1/#comment-5957 Pamela Leavey Fri, 22 Feb 2008 03:35:06 +0000 http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/02/20/her-loss-my-loss-her-victory-my-victory/#comment-5957 <p>Andy</p> <p>Wow. I'm sorry you went there. </p> <p>Clearly there are no men who can identify with what JoAnne said here but I certainly can and I know a lot of women who indentify with Hillary Clinton on many levels and with good reason. </p> <p>There's nothing cult-like in JoAnne saying on a personal level that she identifies with Hillary. Women get what Hillary is about and what she has gone through to get to this place.</p> Andy

Wow. I’m sorry you went there.

Clearly there are no men who can identify with what JoAnne said here but I certainly can and I know a lot of women who indentify with Hillary Clinton on many levels and with good reason.

There’s nothing cult-like in JoAnne saying on a personal level that she identifies with Hillary. Women get what Hillary is about and what she has gone through to get to this place.

]]> By: Andy Witmyer http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/02/20/her-loss-my-loss-her-victory-my-victory/comment-page-1/#comment-5954 Andy Witmyer Fri, 22 Feb 2008 03:19:53 +0000 http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/02/20/her-loss-my-loss-her-victory-my-victory/#comment-5954 "What I realized is that “I am Hillary.'" And people say Obama's supporters are cult-like... “What I realized is that “I am Hillary.’”

And people say Obama’s supporters are cult-like…

]]> By: Pamela Leavey http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/02/20/her-loss-my-loss-her-victory-my-victory/comment-page-1/#comment-5951 Pamela Leavey Fri, 22 Feb 2008 01:51:51 +0000 http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/02/20/her-loss-my-loss-her-victory-my-victory/#comment-5951 <p>Darrell</p> <p>On CNN they state that there are a total of <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/02/delegate.explainer/index.html" rel="nofollow">4049 delegates including Super Delegates</a>.</p> There's about 1400 delegates yet to be awarded and that figure seems to include the Super Delegates as far as I can tell. Darrell

On CNN they state that there are a total of 4049 delegates including Super Delegates.

There’s about 1400 delegates yet to be awarded and that figure seems to include the Super Delegates as far as I can tell.

]]> By: Darrell Prows http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/02/20/her-loss-my-loss-her-victory-my-victory/comment-page-1/#comment-5947 Darrell Prows Thu, 21 Feb 2008 21:34:43 +0000 http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/02/20/her-loss-my-loss-her-victory-my-victory/#comment-5947 "There are still nearly 1,200 electoral votes to be awarded, not counting super delegates". I really didn't have that number in mind. Do you know a place I can go to see a breakdown? “There are still nearly 1,200 electoral votes to be awarded, not counting super delegates”. I really didn’t have that number in mind. Do you know a place I can go to see a breakdown?

]]> By: JoAnne Tybinka Blasko http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/02/20/her-loss-my-loss-her-victory-my-victory/comment-page-1/#comment-5940 JoAnne Tybinka Blasko Thu, 21 Feb 2008 18:14:21 +0000 http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/02/20/her-loss-my-loss-her-victory-my-victory/#comment-5940 Yes, I agree with you, Suskin. Pragmatism is learned, and many women have learned the hard way. Yet, Hillary is having so much difficulty, even with women. Now, she is underfunded compared to Obama and that ups the anti. All we can do is to keep on keepin on and see if we can turn the tides again in her favor. Thank you for your comments. JoAnne Yes, I agree with you, Suskin. Pragmatism is learned, and many women have learned the hard way. Yet, Hillary is having so much difficulty, even with women. Now, she is underfunded compared to Obama and that ups the anti. All we can do is to keep on keepin on and see if we can turn the tides again in her favor. Thank you for your comments. JoAnne

]]> By: suskin http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/02/20/her-loss-my-loss-her-victory-my-victory/comment-page-1/#comment-5933 suskin Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:18:52 +0000 http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/02/20/her-loss-my-loss-her-victory-my-victory/#comment-5933 It is true that many women support Hillary because they identify with her and they find the unfair criticisms of her all too familiar in a male dominated world. But it’s more than that. Women on the whole are pragmatic – as are Hillary supporters on the whole, male and female alike. They are the families who need real change, not just some illusionary promise of utopia. Pragmatic people look behind the grandiose rhetoric and look at the candidate. And what they see a man who hasn’t proven himself; a man who skipped the training runs and went straight for the grand prize. A man who doesn’t grasp what is wrong with America. Pragmatists understand the gravity of the situation facing America. They know America is in trouble, and they know if we don’t do something quickly, it will get worse. They look at Hillary and they see she understands that and she is committed to fixing it. They look at Obama and they see a man who is rambling on about idealism – a new kind of politics, a Washington that gets along with itself. Obama’s going to fix the partisanship of Washington, he’s going to end special interests, he’s going to rid the world of lobbyists. But those aren’t the problems America is facing. The real problems, the problems America is facing, are the ones Hillary wants to fix. That’s why we Hillary supporters keep on supporting her. Because this election is just too important not to. It is true that many women support Hillary because they identify with her and they find the unfair criticisms of her all too familiar in a male dominated world. But it’s more than that. Women on the whole are pragmatic – as are Hillary supporters on the whole, male and female alike. They are the families who need real change, not just some illusionary promise of utopia. Pragmatic people look behind the grandiose rhetoric and look at the candidate. And what they see a man who hasn’t proven himself; a man who skipped the training runs and went straight for the grand prize. A man who doesn’t grasp what is wrong with America.

Pragmatists understand the gravity of the situation facing America. They know America is in trouble, and they know if we don’t do something quickly, it will get worse. They look at Hillary and they see she understands that and she is committed to fixing it. They look at Obama and they see a man who is rambling on about idealism – a new kind of politics, a Washington that gets along with itself. Obama’s going to fix the partisanship of Washington, he’s going to end special interests, he’s going to rid the world of lobbyists. But those aren’t the problems America is facing. The real problems, the problems America is facing, are the ones Hillary wants to fix.

That’s why we Hillary supporters keep on supporting her. Because this election is just too important not to.

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