Comments on: Clinton Doing Better Than Obama Against McCain

By: bjerryberg

bjerryberg — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 00:40:55 +0000

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/03/opinion/03krugman.html

Paul Krugman, who I only occasionally agree with, hit the nail on the head in a {New York Times} column entitled “Deliverance or Diversion?” which reports that many Democrats “are appalled by the direction their party seems to have taken:

They wanted another FDR, yet felt that they’re getting an oratorically upgraded version of Michael Bloomberg instead.”

Krugman writes that Obama would be “Dukakisized” in the general election.

Incidentally, is IP Freely reading only Zogby’s polling data which has consistently been slanted by 10-22% in Obama’s favor.

By: Pamela Leavey

Pamela Leavey — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 18:12:16 +0000

IP Freely The data is here:

Looking to the general election, John McCain has a slight lead over both Democrats. McCain now leads Obama 47% to 44% and Clinton 47% to 46% (see recent daily results).

And here. Interestingly and sadly, McCain shows an advantage over both Clinton and Obama, but Clinton polls better than Obama against McCain.

By: IP Freely

IP Freely — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 17:50:08 +0000

There is little/no data to suggest Hillary would do better against McCain than Obama. (Nice try though.)

The only overarching data is that 50% of americans polled suggested they flat outright would NOT vote for Hillary…I’d like ot know how we get around that one?

Nice try

By: alrudder

alrudder — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 16:41:47 +0000

All, the analysis of who is stronger against McCain is very deep.
1. McCain is more appealing to most than GWB, but some of his base will stay home. His age will be a factor, and thus his running mate will be scrutinized as the heir apparent in the GOP.
2. For us, our base has grown as theirs has shrunk. Hillary may be more competitive with working-class whites in the Rust Belt, but Obama may be more competitive with suburban whites in other swing states.
3. We have to put ourselves into an unknown context 8 months from now when we’ll know the running mates, and other stories like Iraq are in the news, and the economy will have devastated more families.

Right now I think people are rightfully not thinking “which candidate will make the best case to which demographic”, but instead, they are just making a person decision on the character and capability of these candidates. The Primary System finally worked this year, and I think both parties will nominate the “best” candidate.

By: coldH2Owi

coldH2Owi — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 15:31:17 +0000

First of all, peace, but why is she saying things like this?

“I think that I have a lifetime of experience that I will bring to the White House. I know Senator McCain has a lifetime of experience to the White House. And Senator Obama has a speech he gave in 2002,” Clinton says.

http://www.americablog.com/

By: PanMetron

PanMetron — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 09:17:53 +0000

Ohter polls suggest the notion that Obama will have a tougher time against McCain. For example there’s a recent poll showing McCain beats Obama in blue state New Jersey, where Clinton beats McCain by 9 points. Similarly, McCain and Obama are statistically tied in the most recent SUSA poll in Massachussetts (! – even with Kerry and Kennedy factored in!) while Clinton beats McCain there.

Obama’s aura is deflating. Some of the polls above show his negatives are now higher than both Hillary and McCain in states as diverse as New Jersey and Texas. I do not believe he will win against McCain. Two articles in the NYT agreed today: see my links of the day post at Pan Metron.

By: Pamela Leavey

Pamela Leavey — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 04:08:55 +0000

bjerryberg

I’m trying to listen to as few as possible these days since I have more pressing matters to take care of late. I’m counting on you to fill us in on the Rezko news of the day.

By: bjerryberg

bjerryberg — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 03:55:30 +0000

Pamela, do not listen to Mark Penn or his acolytes.

They are the Bloomberg torpedoes in the Clinton organization. Bloomberg isn’t running officially–of course, not yet,–because young Barack has not been able to bury Sen Clinton.

At Penn Schoen–Doug Schoen, is the boss, and he organized Unity ’08 as a ‘bring us together to bailout the financial sharks’ marketing gimmick for billionaire Bloomberg’s candidacy. As all intelligence professionals know Sen. Obama’s candidacy is a wholly owned subsidiary of that element–soon to be buried under a mountain of Rezko, Ayers, etc., etc.

It is all about wrecking the parties and bailing out the corrupt, mismanaged financial institutions like Mussolini tried in the 1922-43.

It is not a winning strategy for Democrats in 2008, needless to say.

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