Sticking With Hillary
By: Gilbert Martinez 
I’m not ready to give up. Hillary is not a quitter and I don’t intend to be one either. Everywhere I look it seems like someone is saying why Hillary cannot win. “The math” isn’t there (remember Karl Rove’s “the math”?). There will be riots if she’s the nominee. Al Gore will come in and save the day by nominating Obama at the convention. That Hillary is going to get abucted by aliens from Trafalmadore and have to give up on the race.
I’ll let you all in on a little theory I have: The Obama campaign and their supporters in the liberal blogosphere/MSM are scared–really, really scared–that Obama is going to get trounced in the next month or two and that Hillary will get the nomination. They are going out of their way to imply over and over that Hillary needs to drop out now to save the Party. Heck, they are trying to pretend they are going disenfranchise and/or ignore over 2,000,000 Democratic voters to make it seem less likely she can win.
Excuse me, but I’m not falling for it. There’s no way the Democratic Party survives without counting voters in FL and MI, so unless the DNC wants to be in their last year, I think its silly to think they won’t be counted. We still have PA, where Hillary is running strong. She is making gains in North Carolina. She is dominating West Virginia. She is on the rise nationally and Obama is falling. Yet they are still trying to force Hillary out of this before people’s votes are counted. Everyone needs to have a “cup of tea” or a glass of wine and calm down. Let’s let the voters have their say. I’m not afraid of that.
Hillary is in it to win it and I’m sticking with her. This party is just getting started, baby!
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HEAR! HEAR!
Man, This party is rocking! I’m having a blast.
This party is just getting warmed up – I am in it ALL THE WAY!!!!!!!
Hillary to the White House or bust….
Great post! Every time I start hearing about the math and how Hillary should drop out, it cheers me up. Because I realize they wouldn’t be pushing that meme if she really had no chance. Instead, they would be totally ignoring her and campaigning against McCain. Did you notice McCain trashing Huckabee when he didn’t drop out? Why would he? Huckabee really didn’t have a chance, and he would have risked alienating Huckabee’s base. If these folks were all that confident about Obama – and that’s a sucker bet after the Rev. Wright fiasco – we wouldn’t be hearing a word from them. They would instead be out trashing McCain.
Hillary is not a quitter, nor are we her supporters. We want Hillary to go all the way to the conventions despite calls from the extreme radicals in the party who want the presidency to be given up by Hillary for the sake of their hidden agenda. Richardson’s move to endorse Obama is nothing but acompletely self-serving move. I don’t think that Richardson move will affect the strong support Hillary has amongst the Latino community . I know one thing for sure, almost 10000%. If Obama is the Democratic nominee, my family members will desert the party for at least the next four years, possibly beyond. And not a cent for the party. Oh, by the way, if Obama is the nominee, you can bet on the Republicans keeping the Whitehouse for 4 more years. How about that?
Can someone tell me why BO ’s camp doesn’t like people voting? There are pleanty of states left. Chill out .
If BO can’t stand the Hillary heat, how is he gonna take stright up GOP heat? (answer: not too well)
Great post. I am with Hillary all the way. This primary process has been flawed all along with kooky crooked caucuses, disenfranchised voters, and dirty politics from the supposed broker of politics of hope. Hillary has stayed the course against unbelievable adversity. She is our President. Let’s make it happen.
Florida and Michigan had a very long time to address their delegates. They chose not to. Hillary and Barack SIGNED AGREEMENTS saying they would not campaign or participate in elections in Florida and Michigan. Is anyone posting those SIGNED AGREEMENTS? Does Hillary have no integrity? She publicly says they do not count in October but now desperately wants a “redo” because she needs the votes? This is the problem with Hillary, she wants to rewrite every rule only if it is benefical to her. This is the Nevada caucus lawsuit, this is caucus’ in general, this is the only big states count Clinton approach. New Clinton rules every single day. She attacked her NY Senate opponent when he didn’t provide his tax returns but she won’t supply the last eight years worth. New Clinton rules every single day.
Hillary all the way! The Obama ship is sinking fast.
And if he wants to talk math, he needs to get a good look at the electoral college numbers!
First of all, Obama has cable ads running all over the state of Florida (his excuse being they were national ad buys and he couldn’t stop them. Oh, really. Not true by the way) — so if you want to talk about who broke the rules of a signed agreement…
I cannot believe the SDs would want to nominate someone who chose to disenfranchise 2,000,000 voters to get the nomination. btw, Florida democrats were forced to accept the republican ruled state legislature’s demand to move the primary up in return for a paper voting record. (Gee, I wonder why we would want that in Florida of all places?)
Hillary ‘08!!
Jemma, dear, if your candidate is Barack Obama, you do not know him very well. He said himself that he would fight to seat Michigan and Florida. That is, before they voted against him. He knows the rules, too, and they state that Florida and Michigan can be seated. He seems to be the only one with a problem with the rules.
If he can change the rules, then I say all rule-changing is fair game.
This is politics, after all.
Jema,
Hate to say it but Obama broke rules in Fla when he had ads playing. If they played by the rules they would of stopped playing the ads period. They didn’t they chose not. Hillary did not decide on the DNC rules. Granted she had to agree to them to not campaign there that doesn’t mean she should not say anything. Yes it happens to help her but if Obama is confident he is the best he should be open to Fl and Mi. If he is truly superior what is he scared off. Hmm could it be that he just wants to change the political rules from the traditional Clinton rules to the Obama one’s. Obama is as clever and crafty as Hillary the only problem is that he is running out of ammunition.
Hey folks, none of the candidates signed forms that said they agreed not to have the votes count. What they agreed (except Obama) was not that votes should be ignored, but that they wouldn’t “compete”. Jeralyn at TalkLeft talked about this before. Team Obama is trying to conflate the two because they have to pretend they will ignore over 2,000,000 voters to win. Yes I said pretend, but more on that later.
But, ya know, this is a party and belligerent drunks/trolls are a downer.
To the TM Ladies, you make a lot of noise for such a small group but your $10.44 donations and button auctions…well…
Yes, when Hillary and Barack signed agreements not to participate in campaigning or elections. If Hillary wanted to change FL and MI, she had a long time to do it. Instead, she waited until the eleventh hour. She even said on a recorded radio program in October that they would not count. This is exactly like the caucuses in Nevada. She was fine with the supersites until she lost the endorsement, then there were lawsuits. That’s the way they play. But as you all say, this is politics after all.
Here is an example of the agreement both Hillary and Barack signed: http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/070831_Final_Pledge.pdf
GO HILLARY. SHE IS NOT A QUITER AND NEITHER ARE WE WHO KNOW WHO IS THE BEST CANDIDATE.
THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY CANNOT SURVIVE WITHOUT WE IN FLORIDA BEING COUNTED. SO MANY..SO MANY..ARE MAD..AND THEY WILL LEAVE THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IN A HEARTBEAT IF WE ARE IGNORED.
DEAN’S DECISION WILL BE THE DEATH OF THE PARTY & WILL INSURE THAT McCAIN WILL BE THE NEXT PRESIDENT.
WE CANNOT AFFORD TO GO TO NOVEMBER WITH SUCH AN UNPREPARED AND ERRED CANDIDATE AS SEN. OBAMA.
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According to the Clintons, the Latte Liberals don’t count either. This is politics after all.
All day on CNN, have been watching nothing but Obama and his campaign, reported in to say Hillary Clinton couldn’t be president because she had to many character flaws?Oh really?Okay,let’s rewind the CNN interview #1 with Anderson Cooper as he questions Obama the first time on Rev. Wright. Once you hear the answers to those questions asked and Obama’s response, read his speech on 3/18/08 days later, or call Fox News to ask them to play the comparison.Inconsistant and disingenuous enough for you? The audacious, disreguard and political gain of arrogant disingenuous, ignorance of truth?Or is it a denial of recognitation compromise of character ?Ait no chickens roosting here ,and the hen eggs, crack as we hear the cock-a-doo-doodle-do justifications of no honest good reason! “Just don’t feel it!” Finally,at 10:51 tonight CNN digs deeper into the truth and comparison of Rev. Wright and Obama! Throw ugly snipes at Clinton in reference to her character after those video’s of Rev, Wright and Obama’s response the first time? Now they say,Obama was in the church when it was going on and didn’t leave? We’ve got disinfranchisement going on and that’s fraud and a felony if proven! May all good donkeys kick the lions to a tree! “You go girl !” Clinton is fighting for the voices of Florida and MI. and play Elvis! If you can’t find a partner,use a wooden chair and find your seat or feel the heat! St. Peter don’t you call me cause I can’t go, were still in this fight on the Clinton polls go! CNN taking Rev.Wright’s context of what was said and there is no southern minister that you need dare compare to that, in a church of God in the context of what Rev. Wright said! Thank-you and today be the color of a rainbow instead ! Disquistion of American concern with reasonable question in reference enlightened!
Jemma represents many and does not post to TM ever. Only reads. And if HRC were to ever get the nomination and try to get Obama voters, TM would need to madly start deleting because Obama voters would be permanently alienated by the things posted there. A small segment will rise above for the young men and women that need to come home safely and for no other reason. TM posters will not rise above because they care more about their egos than these young men and women who have been stop-lossed endlessly and committing suicide. You choose not to thing about the realities. You just want to cheer each other on, donate your $10.44 and watch Faux which explains your pro-war stance. No, Hillary is not my candidate but I will remember the faces, I will not forget them no matter who wins. No matter what, I want those young people home.
Jemma
You sound like a broken record… repeating the same tired memes over and over again.
FYI — Neither Clinton or Obama campaigned in Michigan or Florida.
I am a Democrat FIRST. I will not make threats. I will not endorse the opposing party. I will not give ratings to the media of the opposing party. I know who did this to this country. So even if I find it extremely distasteful, I know I will vote to end the war. So threaten, be angry, say the things you say and you will. But while you watch them sell the war, I will be voting to end it.
Obama is damaged goods! He ran his campaign on superior judgment to lead and on character and was found wanting. Rev. Wrght will be his albatross and will dodge and sink him in the GE if he is the nominee.
If we want to win the WH, we have to nominate Hillary.
My friends in Florida who are diehard Republicans who I thought would never vote for tanyone in the Democratic party, are so impressed with Hillary and are definitely voting for her in the GE. They already voted for her in the FL primary.
Yes! I’m sticking with Hillary until the last state has the privilege
of voting in their primary.
Also, on another note, Barak doesn’t have the monopoly of the young voters and the well educated ones. Hillary has a lot more and they are not as ostentatious as Obama’s fans . They are lying low, (flying low under the radar). That’s one of the reasons why Hillary keeps winning the big states that are necessary for her to win the GE. My friendsa are in the academe and they have PhD’s. I’m a physics teacher and I have a Masters degree.
Jemma
What on earth are you ranting about?
Gilbert, excellent post. I am getting dizzy listening to the scardy cats in the new and old media droning on about how HRC should quit now. All of your points are very well taken and I agree with every one especially about MI and FLA.
There is no reason HRC should quit. And, as you said, why would the media (new and old) keep droaning on about her quitting if they weren’t afraid she could pull this off in some way. The ones who keep insisting she should quit, like Beckel, see the MI and FLA door completely closed and distort the role of the SA’s.
I think HRC will win PA by at least 25 points. Just rank speculation. Wright will be the gift that keeps on giving. His shelf life right now has legs. And, Obama lied and got caught in a lie and the one thing that has been the fuel of his campaign has been his judgement and that tank was never that full to begin with. Obama may be in the drivers seat still but his tank is doing some serious leaking. And, he and Axelrod know it or they wouldn’t have desperately released that “incriminating” (lol) photo of Wright posing with Bill when he was POTUS (that the NY Times printed this not newsworthy document shows just how much they continue to ruin their own rep) or tired to drown out (with the help of rabid dog Olbamarmann) the loud Wright noise by pointing the finger once again at the Clinton’s. And, what a difference a day makes as Clintons’ and McCains’ passport data were compromised as well.
So, HRC is doing exactly what she should be doing: staying in the race because there is no good, rational reason she should withdraw her name.
The numbers in PA for the POTUS race are serious. And, they were taken after the Obama speech. 53% of Clinton supporters say they will vote for Obama if HRC is not the nominee. 19% say they will vote for McCain and 13% said they would not vote in Nov. There is no reason to not make a projection that the PA ratio’s can, on the average, be extrapolated to the GE. This means that potentially if HRC is not the nominee, 32% of her supporters will not vote for Obama in Nov. This coupled with the fact that Obama has won mostly in States that will not be in play in Nov and that except for his own home State, he hasn’t won the big blue ones, like HRC (which will be made even more pronounced when she wins big in PA), and the MI and FLA albatross around their necks, I don’t see how the elders/SA’s don’t give great weight to HRC being the stronger GE candidate.
And, I am with her all the way as most of us who support her are.
I’m not going to debate the percentages of educated constituencies between Clinton and Obama, there are dozens of polling companies that can provide the breakdowns very quickly and have done so endlessly.
“Damaged goods” as you so eloquently put it is a matter of perception. When Bill Clinton was in office I had to defend him endlessly. I made all the speeches to coworkers, how his marriage had nothing to do with the country, when all of Monica’s phone calls with Linda were played for hours on TV as she debated the meaning of the book “Leaves of Grass” I said it was an intern crush, yes, I was an avid Clinton supporter. When Bill went on a pardon party, I had to defend that too and that was not easy.
Some people have Clinton fatigue. Some people think when the eight years of tax returns come out, when the Clinton Library donations list comes out, the scandals will start all over again and they will look to the sky and say “Again?” “Seriously?” The Clintons running for a third terms is like the dinner guests who come back for another meal. Dinner is over, what are they back for? And the Clintons running now, I feel like I never knew these Clintons. Were they always this way and I was too invested to see it?
Hillary spoke of sniper fire in Kosovo. No welcoming ceremony because they had to run. Then there are photos of a welcoming ceremony with children no less. No snipers. Flowers. Her schedules do not reflect her vast experience. The last time they withheld tax returns they ultimately revealed the cattle futures fiasco. The vetting they so proudly speak of has not happened since their last election in 1996! That’s twelve years ago!
And by the way, I said I would vote Dem in spite of the candidate because I want to end the war as soon as possible. I did not say if one does not vote for Senator Obama, blood will be spilled. Your justifying a McCain vote is for your own conscience to deal with, not mine. I know what matters. In fact, I’ve listed many reasons here, and there are many more, why I would not like to vote for the Clintons. And even then, I would still vote Democratic first. That is the difference.
Jemma
1) If you have issues with TM – Let TM know – do not post about it here. This is The Democratic Daily – Not TM (which I assume is Taylor Marsh). You are not welcome to trash TM here.
2) No one here has said they will vote McCain. You are assuming that and you are wrong.
3) As the owner/editor of The Dem Daily, I find you drive by trashing of TM and rude responses here to be offensive. Read the comment policy above and follow the policy or move along.
Thanks Pamela, I was not aware that my remarks were offensive. I thought these blogs were more discussion oriented. Thanks for letting me know, I appreciate it.
correction:
“will dog and sink him.”
I’m sticking with Hill until she finally wins ans is inaugurated
as the 44Th President of the USA
GO HILLARY!!!!!!.
Jemma, We have been fighting for those Florida votes for a LONG time. In fact, the Florida Democratic party has been trying to get them counted since day one, after the primary. No one really knew (for sure) what the DNC was going to do, until after the primary was completed.
There have been court cases, pleas to Congress, pleas from the state party to the Democratic committee, and there is still some activities ongoing, including more court cases. You would know that if you were on the ‘front line’ in this battle. But, you’re not! So, don’t go around spouting off about things you know nothing about.
Take Care, Sharon
http://florida-delegates.com
Paint me the colors of faux and peace out for unity as the Clinton polls go. God and Gov. with Rev. Wright is not common and it’s full of anger and in hateful reguard! Why didn’t Obama get up and leave? That’s Obama’s judgement for twenty years?Cut your self a slice of American apple pie! Take it to a higher ground but shame on you Obama !
Jemma
This blog is a blog that value civil discussion and discourse and in the nearly 3 years we’ve been online we have managed to stay pretty much above the fray that many blogs descend into.
Hi Pamela, I’ve looked at my posts and compared them to the others. I do not see what is offensive in them and in fact, I put time and effort into them. I consider my posts well thought out and sincere.
I’ve looked at your blog more and I see this is really more of a pure Hillary supporter site and frankly I didn’t realize that and for that I apologize, it was my error. The Democratic Daily gives a different impression.
All the best,
Jemma
Sharon
Thanks for sharing the link to Florida Delegates.
Jemma, You were making very snarky comments about posters at Taylor Marsh’s site and the amounts of contributions they said that they had contributed. You have no idea how many times someone may have contributed $10.44 to HRC’s campaign. Perhaps they have contributed $10.44 daily for 20 days. Maybe it’s because they used their debit cards and daily transactions are limited. Maybe they are working for $8/hr and it’s simply the best they can do. After all, we HRC supporters are the “poor trash”, under-educated (scratch my degree from Tulane, I guess), blue collar democrats. That matters not. They are supporting the candidate of their choice. However, I notice you did not comment about some of the ones who said they had just contributed $400 or such.
Jemma
The Democratic Daily was originally started as blog that supported John Kerry after the ‘04 election. I wrote for the blog at JohnKerry.com during the ‘04 election. It’s far from a pure Hillary site.
Currently there are over 12 contributing writers to The Dem Daily and not all of them support Hillary Clinton. We have however become one of the few safe havens for Hillary supporters here in the progressive blogosphere.
Regardless, I have no doubt that this blog and all the writers will support the nominee — whoever the nominee is.
I would just like to echo what “My name is Earl” said and I would add that my contribution is always $14.44, the 44 being for Hillary Clinton th 44th President of the United States. Someone on hillaryclinton.com started the practice of the 44 and many of us followed. I contribute that amount every time the money meter goes up and every time the meter shows movement towards our goal.
If you really want to know something about Hillary’s supporters, go to hillaryclinton.com and you will meet the most upbeat family of supporters that you could possibly imagine.
There is absolutely no trashing of another person in order to lift up another person.
You are so right! This party is just getting started. I said the same thing on HillaryClinton.com! We will not give up. She is the clear leader when you look at ALL the votes. Obama is on the ropes..He is getting caught up in his own lies. He is playing old school politics,,exactly the opposite of what he pledged not to do…otherwise, why would he send that picture of Bill shaking hands with the racist reverend? The “HILL FAMILY”, those of us who blog daily on the Clinton website WILL KEEP DONATING..WILL KEEP BLOGGING, WILL KEEP WRITING LETTERS, MAKING PHONE CALLS..WHAT EVER IT TAKES…AND YES WE WILL WIN. Hillary has the support, and she is the clear choice.
RobinP,
Indiana
I’m not going to let “the media” elect my next President. Every time I hear them calling for her to give up, I think of the speech she gave when she won Ohio. As far as I’m concerned, she’s already proven what kind of leader she’ll be—one who never gives up.
Jemma
I believe that the possible sniper fire and lack of a welcome ceremony, are what happened in Bosnia NOT Kosovo. Hillary does not lie, nor do the military personel who accompanied her on that trip and can attest to her story.
Now Obama on the other hand, wow….way to forget that he did indeed hear his pastor make hateful remarks! Let me guess, he must have been “tired” like he was was when he commented on “typical” white people.
I’M STICKING TO HILLARY CLINTON LIKE PEANUT BUTTER AND JELLY ALL THE WAY TO THE CONVENTION babyyyyy.
Hillary continue to fight all the way. The obama camp and his media supporters would love for you to hand this over to him because they fear as time goes by and people get to know obama they will see that he is not electible and he will be UNMASKED as just another unqualified politician trying to learn the job of President.
If not you then Mccain.
WE are on the same wave link. Florida here and I am not scared. If he wins he wins but if Hillary wins she wins….No biggie, but lets be fair shall we. Let us hear what the people have to say. I know they probly thought that this would not happen. The primary, going on and on, but it has. So the DNC needs to re think how the primary s are playing out. I believe some changes needs to be made….Go Hillary stickin by you!
Although Sen. Obama is a very intelligent and talented politician, I hope that Hillary decides against offering him the VP job should she be the nominee. Give me David Paterson, give me Harold Ford, Jr, and even republican Colin Powell if you will, give me anyone of color for President or VP, but please not someone who belongs to a separatist church, who publicly embraces its racist minister after condemning our Nation, while at the same time he publicly shames his own white relative and refers to her as a ‘typical white’. The more I know of Sen. Obama, the more I realize the contradiction of the man and his message. This is not bringing people together. This is not unity. This is not the change that we seek. This IS a man conflicted. This IS someone whose core values say one thing while his politics say another. This IS someone who should be in a therapist’s office and not the oval office. America, we’ve come too far to have to settle for this. We can do better. We will do better. And there ARE indeed better choices that one can make for ourselves and for this country. I’m just glad that we can choose Hillary.
I agree 100%! It’s a dirty trick that all of OB supporters are playing to get his numbers up again.
Just wait till she starts wining, this party will really start in Pennsylvania!!!!
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Hillary should definitely not quit. The Obama supporters are itching for his coronation. Florida and Michigan will count! My thinking is that if HC drops out the DNC will immediately find a way to seat the delegates. Since this whole thing with Florida and Michigan started I have come to realize that the DNC is a morally bankrupt organization. The whole caucus thing is a joke and don’t get me started on the Texas primary/caucus thing. As someone said Obama has won states that Democrats don’t win in general elections. As for the war Obama won’t end it because the army and the republicans won’t let him without some sort of victory there. He’ll be going into office as the weakest president ever with no idea of how the government really works. Hillary is the only qualified candidate, period!
Oh yeah, my sentiments exactly. Went to bed last night and couldn’t sleep. I came downstairs, opened up my checking acct. online and donated to Mrs. Clinton’s campaign once again.
After that, I felt at peace, went back upstairs, and slept like a baby.
She’s in it to win it & that’s no joke.
The only reason why there’s no proper vetting of the Democratic party’s primary candidates is because the DNC has been hijacked by “neoliberals” (who are no different from their neoconservative enemies given their shameless pursuit of power, influence and funds)! Had this not been the case, a smart-thinking DNC Chairman would have already issued the strongest denunciation of any links whatsoever with the racist and anti-American views of the Rev. Wright so that non-radical left-leaning Democrats won’t think that FDR’s party has moved away from the mainstream – and curse it from winning the White House (like what happened after LBJ chose not to run for a second term) for generations! It is so sad what is happening to the party today. Fortunately, Hillary (who represents the sane wing of the party) has not given up the fight. And she shouldn’t! The American people are behind her and more will take up her cause after the “candidate of change” has been finally unmasked as his generation’s most talented charlatan!
All of Obama’s money is working for Hillary in PA.
You can’t tell me that the PA voters who are being inundated by Obama’s face on tv aren’t reminded of the Rev. Wright damning America every time they see it.
All his ads are doing is consolidating the opposition.
Great post! My mother and my sister have both been in support of Hillary and have both said, “it doesn’t look good for her.” And every time they start to believe all the pro-Obama hype about her not being able to win I have to remind them that this isn’t over until all states have voted and at that time Hillary will become the nominee. There are so many reasons why she shouldn’t be counted out, and the more CNN and Obama try to push her name off the voting cards the more people are going to flock to her in return. The longer this is drawn out the more people will see that she is the better candidate. My confidence in her hasn’t wavered a bit, and I’m looking forward to having her as my President.
BTW, I noticed that Obama’s website declares Texas a victory for him – what arrogance! The popular vote went to Hillary by a significant margin. It would be a stretch for him to even declare a tie, but it’s down right egotistical and self-important of him to somehow believe the people’s vote doesn’t count.
It is time for Obama to drop out of the race. He is damaged goods. We need to bring the party togather and beat the republicans and Hillary is the only one that can accomplish this mighty deed. OBAMA go back to church and pray for Hillary’s victory!
This Easter I pray that Hillary be lifted up and renewed to face the charletons and the deceivers. Over 15 million people have stuck by Hillary with their vote and there are millions more to go.
I pray America is ready to see the light that Hillary is the one we have been waiting for. May the walls of sexism come crashing down and the phoenix rise up to squash the lies and discounting of Hillary and are not to be tolerated anymore. I pray that Barko Hussein Elmer Gantry gets squashed like a bug and takes his lack of morals and inexperience with him. He’s like an barking dog that never shuts up.
I am so thrilled to be reading this article. I have become absolutely addicted to the Hillary Clinton campaign. I own a company,yet I have been spending hours and hours scanning the internet to see what a difference has been made ever since Barack Obama was exposed through Reverend Wright. THAT STORY IS NOT GOING AWAY.
More importantly, it is the exact reason B.O. could never win the general election. So on that note, Hillary Clinton is our ONLY HOPE! The good news is she was aways the more qualified candidate.EVERYONE KNOWS THAT.
What made B.O. special is that he was selling ” Hope, change and good judgement.” REALLY?!! well since his whole platforn has collapsed as of last week, I see some landslide victories ahead for Hillary Clinton. AND SHE DESERVES EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM.
Why I and many have a problem with Obama. When confronted, everything is everyone else’s fault or “misunderstanding”, Nothing is his fault until it gets so hot, he can’ t ignore it any more. (Pretty close to what the church represents, don’t you think?)
Even with this church situation..after all that’s been going on this week with it, he comes out with that he blames it on a generational gap of both Rev. Wright and the America that sees fault in it….Geez A generational gap? No Obama, it’s not a generational gap, it’s someone in the pulpit that says GD America. It’s someone in the pulpit standing in front of thousands, including children mocking and disprespecting a past President adn America, gyrating and ranting like a lunatic.
It’s you even thinking you need to have a speech about “this race issue.” You pulled the race card once again, Obama. Just trying to get that WHITE GUILT vote??
It’s not a race issue, AT LEAST NOT ON OUR PART. Let me repeat it..it’s not my race issue or America’s race issue. It’s YOUR race issue. It’s YOUR church’s race issue. It’s YOUR wife’s race issue. For us, It’s about anti-Americanism. It’s about the beliefs of a person who wants to be the President of the greatest country in the world.
IT’S ABOUT ANTI-AMERICANISM, OBAMA. I can NEVER vote for you. If Hillary doesn’t get the nomination, my vote goes to Mccain. I know HE loves his country.
IT’S ABOUT CHARACTER, JUDGEMENT, HONESTY and INTEGRITY.
Great video, and I completely agree w/ the sentiment expressed.
Two questions:
http://www.commonvoice.com/article.asp?colid=8310
Drats.. let me get to my questions. Has anyone seen the above link? Is it true?
2. Can the DNC actually go to the convention ignoring MI and FL? Is there no legal recourse now? Thanks.
Great post! Hillary’s strength and number of her supporters are growing everyday. The more people learns about the greatness that her candidacy has to offer, the more people will choose her over any other candidates. Hillary is strong, intelligent and indefatigably hard-working. She tirelessly fight for all of us. It is now time that we need to help her win this race for the best of our country and our world.
I live in Florida and I am angry. I support Hillary Clinton, and will ONLY support Hillary Clinton as the democratic nominee this November.
For the drive-by mugging and tarnishing they have inflicted on BOTH Clintons, they will pay the ultimate price in November if they prop up the straw man against McCain. WE are the base. Not latte liberals, not unreliable college kids who will move onto the next best thing. Only Obama has managed to convince DEMOCRATS that healthcare mandates are a “bad thing.” Since when are DEMOCRATS afraid of mandates?! A candidate that doesn’t believe in universal healthcare (and no, BO’s plan is NOT universal healthcare) is no Democrat at all!
Give us Hillary, or get out of the way! WE aren’t abandoning the Democratic party… the Democratic party has abandoned US.
The Democratic party was so worried that they would be disinfranchising all the new young voters, that they forgot about a lot of the lifetime Democrats who do not feel the same way as those young voters. They should be counting all the votes, if they truly want a unified party. There is no reason for her to get out. As this process has gone on, we have learned more and more about the candidates, which has changed a lot of minds. Let’s just play this out, and see what happens. Hillary 08!!!
Speeches. Just speeches. Just words. When will he shut up!
He is a cheating disgrace to America and is embarrassing us in the eyes of the world. He is a ‘typical’ shuckster and jiver. Step down NOW you loser.
Clinton’s emphasizing web presence,sees rise in donations! Also read Senator Obama and his campaign will be launching what the Chicago Tribune called a full assult on Hillary’s ethics! Happy Easter ! Hoppin down the Clinton trail ! This is a very informative blog that sparks electricty of thought for all,no matter who you’re pulling for !
Provide your archives and your 2006 and 2007 taxes Barack Hussein Obama! Your lack of integrity and patriotism is appalling! You said Hillary was a thing of the past but then proceeded to ask for her outdated schedules..Hell no we won’t vote for you. Hillary has all the Democrat support and will prevail!
Show you docs NOW~
I don’t understand how college kids get to decide this race. The caucuses were held on college campuses. Caucuses in RED states should NOT determine our nominee. He’ss say and do anything to win. Wake up people. You do not want this candidate who will lose to McCain. Vote Hillary WHY HOPE FOR CHANGE? VOTE FOR IT. HILLARY ‘08
YIPPEE!! At least a relief for Hillary:
http://www.commonvoice.com/article.asp?colid=8310
Lots of stuff in there about Messiah, Obama!
PASS IT ON! BLOG IT! GET IT OUT THERE!
GO HILLARY!!
Howard Dean is helping Obama steal the nomination by disfranchise FL & MI. Very funny that the frontrunner is so afraid of the revote.
I’ll stick with Hillary till the end. We have been with her through thick and thin, and we are not giving up.
Why?! Because she the best candidate for POTUS.
And we are not going to settle for anything less.!
Hillary won. Why did they stop counting the Texas caucus votes at 40% and declare Osama the winner? This smells.
This is the first time I enter to comment on this site. I have enjoyed reading it. I am blogging from Puerto Rico. I had the pleasure of working for Hillary in Fort Worth, Texas. I took annual leave from my job to be able to participate. It was a wonderful experience that I will not forget. I worked at the Stockyards and was able to see Hillary up close. The feelings between Hillary and the crowds were full of mutual love and respect. Believe me it was electrifying. She is a strong woman. She knows how to reach people with facts. It is the people who have kept her in the race. It is the people that will take Hillary to the Presidency. Everyone is clear on the media from the beginning, All we see is hate towards whatever she says. The analysts brought on the show are all Pro-Obama almost 99% of the time. They go out of their way to explain Obama’s statements. His mistakes are explained away. Where are the news reporters? I believe they have done a disservice to the television viewers and to the history in the making. Now, we have Governor Richardson backing Obama because Obama does not have the Latino community. He still won’t have it. People are worried that Richardson’s backing will affect the primary in Puerto Rico. Believe me, it will not. People love Hillary here. We are waiting our turn. I cannot wait to see what Obama will utilize here. He better have the capacity not to use the race card. We have a mix of race. There are negroes, mulatos (mixed black with white), we have white. We did not appreciate him coming in November, speaking a little bit, refused to take his pictur ewith the governor, refused to meet with the press, and left with approximately $200,000.Oh it was highly criticized. I will continue later.
JoeySky Said“Howard Dean is helping Obama steal the nomination by disfranchise FL & MI. Very funny that the frontrunner is so afraid of the revote.”
Word is out that it’s really Pelosi that is running Obama campaign now.. She has taught him everything she knows which is slanted. She is the one who went to visit tyrants and is teaching Obama that. She is blocking the seating of the delegates. California are you listening? Check her record. She has a big fat zero in her accomplishments. Birds of a feather? She is pressuring others to betray the Clintons. Check it out. she is Bush’s right hand man.
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I have to confess I used to a Obama supporter….and lets just say I have buyer’s remorse… so I now I am working overtime to help hillary….
I will not vote for FRAUD OBAMA under any condition!!!!! I’ll take Mccain over Obama anyday, yes Mccain has his faults… but I trust Mccain… Obama is a SNAKE….slithers whereever and whenever it benefits him…
do I believe in universal healthcare yes!, better tution rates yes!, better environ protection, yes!, DO I LOVE THIS COUNTRY YES!!!!
I disagree with Mccain on some things, but he beleives in environ. protection and stem cell research….
BUT I DO NOT WANT OBAMA, “finally proud of america” wife, his “anti-america”, “anti-semitic”, “anti-white” preacher ANYWHERE NEAR THE WHITEHOUSE
I WILL HAVE NO PROBLEM VOTING FOR MCCAIN IF THIS STUPID DEMOCRATIC PARTY NOMINATES OBAMA………
I DID NOT LEAVE THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY, IT HAS LEFT ME
GO HILLARY!!!!!!!
I am sticking with Hillary until the nomination. And then the Presidency. And for the record Jenna I contribute $150.00 every two weeks. We Hillary supporters are proud of candidate. She is a great AMERICAN who is very proud of her country. We believe in her because of her strength, intelligence and ability to connect to working class people. She is going to bring us back to peace and prosperity. The same as we were before GEORGE BUSH. There is no racism with Hillary. We are all ONE people, as it should be.
I”M WITH HILLARY ALL THE WAY TO THE WHITE HOUSE
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Both the “NEW BLACK PANTHERS” website and the page they have on Obamas website came down 2 days ago. It has been around the web but unreported by the news. Obama had the endorsement from the “New Black Panthers” on his website for a couple months now and no one said anything. Come on people. Obama is getting a free pass. Hit the cached button to see what they stand for..it ain’t pretty. It’s more of the same of what his church teaches.
As much as it sucks for them, Florida and Michigan must have some consequence for their actions. Anyone who has made or broken a rule knows that if there is no consequence, the rules will continue to be broken. What a mess 2012/2016 will be if big states just do what they want because they know they are “too important” to be left out. Let’s not pretend that anyone would give a hoot if we were talking about Rhode Island and Montana. It’s not about the voters, it’s about winning.
Great Blog!
It is encouraging! I used to be a C-SPAN junkie hoping that at least it would be fair to Clinton – but I’m not sure. They merely regurgitate the daily ‘mainstream’ news and let their extremist callers face off!
Look, what can I say! I support Hillary. She derserves this nomination because she’s the more meritious candidate!
Hillary08
You are so right. I don’t care how we Florida and Michigan got where they are with the DNC. The important thing is that all voters should have the opportunity to count. I can’t believe that someone like Obama can give a speech about race relations and the Civil Rights Act was such a big step forward and he doesn’t want the Florida and Michigan voters to count. This shouldn’t happen in America. Where is Jimmy Carter?
While talking to some Obama supporters in my state, I asked if they ever heard Hillary speak and they said no. Seems to me that everytime a person gets to hear her speak they are sold on Hillary and there is no turning back. Hill needs to reach as many people as possible especially since it has worked whenever she was heard by voters. Let’s give her a chance to be heard. Rising up on Easter.
It isn’t fair for people to just hear lies about Hillary’s past. My hope is that they have the opportunity to see and hear her and not be swayed with propaganda of the past!
Can we all make an educated vote please? Our future depends on it.
I’m sticking by Hillary all the way and I know that by saying that I can still get posted/or not flagged!! It feels so good!
And hey I’m educated but who’s counting. A vote is a vote and no one knows who cast it.
An employee of a private voter registration firm alleges that his bosses trashed registration forms filled out by Democratic voters because they only wanted to sign up republican voters?.Democrats have the Republicans beat on voter fraud hands down,likely a corallory to their having the GOP beat on voter registration? Go to registration fraud and courts open to hear cases concerning! Hillary nor Obama created this situation and in my opinion, the delogates need to be fired that caused the confusion! Send those donkeys out to pasture and find new donkeys to pull the load! This disinfranchisement is a felony if proven and my bet is, they send all leaders responsible out of the good donkey barn and the elephants responsible as well. Their political office leadership has caused a mess! Re-vote in MI and everybody in leadership got together there and said okay ! Now it’s in limbo and in the courts hands,ask Obama what he’s scared of ! Follow the DNC rules! It’s not reflective of the over-all democratic or republican party to be fair and a handfull of leaders in charge that need to be held accountable for the situation happening to begin with ! Find out which ones and get them out of political office and think they will ! Why did it happen to begin with and which ones are responsible? The courts will find out ! Don’t think the Fl. or MI. people are going to put up with that kinda political confusion or leadership and it’s a team effort for the people and that’s why they have a job! Refuse to believe it’s an over-all reflection of the democratic party or the republican party.Not seated laws may need to change for elections being held! Sit down and make your desion and that’s why you’ve been placed as a leader for the people! Follow the campaign laws and the DNC rules and which leaders didn’t? Who was out of their seat and turn their names into the judge and find leaders that make decisions when it counts !
Oregon: Are you suggesting that people who support Barack Obama have not made an educated decision regarding their vote or have been swayed by propaganda? Maybe it’s possible for reasonable people to come to different conclusions with two good candidates from which to choose.
You bet I’m sticking with Hillary. This is far from over.
Sen. Obama is the divisive force here and all the negative sound bites in the world trying to blame Hillary for everything will no longer cut it. Obama is in a disastrous situation of his own making. The myth his campaign is trying to sell of ‘hope, change and a new kind of politics’ is just that. A myth. The Rev. Wright situation is not going to go away. Neither is Rezko et al. He arrogantly (once again) said something in an interview this week indicating this would fade away as people have short memories!! Is he kidding? His speech was a lovely diversion, designed to distract and get him out of the hot water he was in. Not going to happen. He is also divisive because he is willing to throw the entire Democratic party under a bus by not allowing a revote in MI and FL, or allow those original votes to be counted — even though the DNC has OKed the prospect. And he has the nerve to say “the Clinton’s don’t like to lose…” — as if HE does. If Sen. Obama is so sure he can lock up this nomination, why so much fear in letting the people of MI and FL have their original votes counted? Or a revote? Let’s hear from the votrers. Is David Axelrod afraid to find out what these voters think of his candidate now? This country is made up of 50 states, after all. Let the voters decide. I can assure you, no matter what the “rules” (the Republican-dominated state legislature in FL forced the Dems to make the primary earlier as a condition of Dems getting a paper voting record) — if the situation were reversed and Obama had won a majority of votes in the state, he’d have every lawyer at his disposal down there working to get the votes counted and his team would probably scream racism and disenfranchisement if they weren’t. Does anyone out there doubt this? And those who support Sen Obama would be screaming just as loudly to have their voices heard. Understandably so.
For someone so anxious to talk about race relations in his beautiful speech, you would imagine he would be the last person who would want to discount or disenfranchise anyone. We all deserve to have a voice. We are all in this together and need to work to put this country back together. Hillary Clinton has clearly shown she has a plan to do that. He has: “words matter” — and he has shown in the last couple of weeks that his words do not, since he keeps contradicting himself. How, then, do we trust him exactly? The man has made himself unelectable. No one has done that for him. Obama’s campaign has had a lovely ride in the press until recently and after a couple of weeks of tough coverage, they are imploding. Green. Inexperienced. After what has been revealed about him, the Republicans will ride this all the way to the White House in November if he is the nominee. Remember Dukakis? Remember Kerry? Sen. Obama is not ‘untouchable’ as was first assumed. His judgment, among other things has been called into question and no independent or republican voter will get anywhere near him. Certainly a lot of democrats have been truned off as well.
I have been a solid Democrat my entire life and have never voted otherwise. However, Sen. Obama has shown himself to be a divisive and weak character, perpetrating a sham — I will not trust the future of the American people to anyone who is willing to throw out millions of voters’ voices or who arrogantly assumes he will automatically get my vote in November without earning it – especially after roundly insulting my support for another candidate — which he and his surrogates have done on many occasions. I invite him to test his prediction — he and the foolish DNC elders, who for some confounded reason, seem to be tipping the scales in his favor — will be very disappointed. He will not get my vote. I know a great many people who feel the same way.
We feel this way for one reason — we need competence in the White House — energy, vitality, smarts and a clear plan. Your race or gender doesn’t matter a damn to us. Your qualifications and character do. Whether or not you like Senator Clinton, anyone who denies her great intelligence, policy knowledge, accomplishments and her true grit and resilience is the liar in this campaign.
Please, let’s quit with the rules were broken bit. Those rules were made by DNC reps who I’m sure no one on this blog has any idea of who they are. I’m also sure that no one on this blog or in the states of Michigan and Florida voted for any of these rules so in my opinion the only people bound by those rules are the ones who made them. The people who voted did so believing their votes would count. In Michigan Obama pushed for his supporters to vote other or what ever it was called and that category got 39% of the vote. I say give him that share of the delegates. In Florida, for the umteenth time everyone’s name was on the ballot and he still lost so give the the delegates he won, period. This is about people and their right to vote for the candidate of their choice and that right not being taken away by unelected persons of some club. Anyone who can’t see is really out to lunch!
This is a site to sign a petition to the DNC to Pledge to vote against Obama in the General Election:
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/pledge-to-vote-against-obama-in-the-general-election#signatures
It’s time for a reality check. Reverend Wright’s comments have disqualified Obama from being elected in a General Election. Like it or not, White Americans households making less than $75,000 will NEVER elect a candidate whose Pastor cried “God Damn America 5 days after September 11.”
RE-VOTE IN FL. AND MI.,this is AMERICA and it’s not the people’s fault ! Does America need to start a fund to help pay for it? Are we out of time in the race to fight in court ?
Did it occur to anyone else that prior to this personal revelation by Barak Obama regarding his minister and his need to speak to the race issue..40% of Americans felt Barak Obama’s religious affiliation was Muslim? Now they know. This appears to me as a perfect orchestration of political prowess by the Obama team. Release the Rezko update, address the screaming ‘racist’ all on a Friday afternoon. Then, let it fester for the weekend with an announcement of a major speech on ‘race’ on Tuesday.
This tactic negated the admission by the Obama campaign that once again, a new set of circumstances regarding the Rezko growing donor list and trial.
Interestingly, the speech once again enflamed the racist angle by comparing Mrs Ferraro to Reverend Wright. How can African Americans as a core group not feel like a lost ‘race’ in the United States when the ‘race’ is pushed out and roped in at the whim of Barak Obama when he first needs a launching base to make a name for himself..second disavows the ‘race’ while he says he transcends ‘race’ and ignores the plight of the Jenna 6. Once again he reaches for the ‘race’ to propel him forward in a caucus..giving his stump speech in ‘black speak’ accent on ya’all..throws the ‘race’ back in the closet as he denies his faith and once again open the wounds by declaring himself the ‘uniter’.
Uniter of what? A country that has long lived, since the late 60’s in relative comfort with all races and religions. My street is a great mix..we have black, white, christians, jews, homosexuals and a lot of pets. It is my choice as a free citizen to attend any function, church, lecture or movie, I choose. If I ever get the inclination to go to South Central, Los Angeles, I am as uncomfortable in that neighborhood, as someone from South Central,would feel in my neighborhood. The same goes for Koreatown and Chinatown. That is the beauty and the beast we describe as our country.
Our choice-not Obamas business or political ploy used as chicanery to influence an election. The greatest speech ever given on the subject of ‘race’ began when our forefathers landed on this soil and wrote the rest of the story they called the Constitution. It describes what I believe most thinking Americans long for..a place to call home.
All the while his campaign saying a redo was OK in MI and FL but working to destroy the redo by running the clock.
I have to hand to to BO as this is as low as it gets. To stir the racial pot to subjugate impropriety on the state level and gain enough media attention to disenfranchise millions of ‘folks’ by not addressing their voting concerns in two populace states.
Unbelievable-and CNN focuses on the dates of liaisons with Monica Lewinsky as the sole information worth garnering from 11,000 pages of documentation of data ‘everyone’ was salivating over that are obviously very public thanks to the Ken Starr authority.
Is there reality reporting going on?
Thank goodness Sen. Clinton has stayed in the race! She is far and away the best candidate for President. Just think of all she’s been through, and how horrible the media have been to her, and she’s STILL raising millions on her website, and has millions of loyal supporters. If she’d had the free media pass that has been handed to Obama, she’d have long since been the nominee.
Obama tells LIES about Hillary, and everyone believes him. He and Michelle have a now not-so-hidden agenda, such as that espoused by the radical Rev. Wright. I heard overtones of this racial hate-speech in his and her (especially her) speeches on C-span during the Iowa & NH campaigns. How could the media have overlooked this for so long?
Thanks to the blogger above who let us know about Obama’s alleged ties to terrorists in Chicago, at http://www.commonvoice.com/article.asp?colid=8310
“You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but YOU CAN’T FOOL ALL OF THE PEOPLE ALL OF THE TIME!” (Abraham Lincoln)
Wake up, America! We simply cannot allow someone like Obama to run this country!
Please go to http://www.hillaryclinton.com and contribute today, so she can compete effectively in the remaining primaries.
Harold Ickes, an advisor to Senator Clinton, voted for the DNC rules stripping Michigan and Florida of their delegates. These decisions were made well in advance of any voting and I have not be able to find a single quote from any candidate publicly questioning this decision until after voting began this year. If there is something I missed, please let me know.
I’ve said this before on this site: Democrats divide at their own peril. Signing a petition to vote against Obama (or Clinton for that matter) in the general election means that petty intra-party squabbling is more important than core Democratic ideals that both candidates share. Support your candidate, but don’t lose sight of the big picture.
We need some “I’m Sticking with Hillary” bumper stickers!
IS THIS GOING TO BE A TYPICAL FLORIDA ELECTION. MY VOTE HASN’T BEEN COUNTED IN THE PAST TWO ELECTIONS. YES I VOTE IN FLORIDA… WE WANT HILLARY..WE NEED HILLARY
Think all of us who support Hillary ought to be giving the DNC a piece of our mind about the stupidity of not allowing Florida or Michigan delegates to be seated or allowing one candidate, Obama, to decide whether or not there is going to be a re-vote in either state. The Democratic Party will be in deep, deep trouble if they ignore those two states!
Ohio here – You know the folk who were scammed about NAFTA. We are pissed, we believed, and now the truth is out. Oh Hillary great ruler of the world we bow to you. Errgh. Well it’s rinse time (vetting as the MSM likes to call it) and a little dirt has come out about Obama. I’ll give you all that. But if we run the rinse cycle on the Clinton’s, it will not be a little dirt it will be a mudslide. Do you see the folk abandoning ship -. Richardson. gees..
Enuff said.
Jessica: Iowa and New Hampshire moved their primaries up as well, but were granted waivers by Dean to do so , whereas he wouldn’t grant waivers to Michigan and Florida – selective enforcement of the rules to favor some voters and not others – you saying you AGREE with this?
Further, it was the Republican-controlled Florida State Legislature which forced the FL Dem Party to move up its primary (which unfortunately, the US Constitution gives them the right to do – you’re saying that Democrats should be punished by other Democrats for the actions of REPUBLICANS?
Even further, the moving up of primaries by states other than NH and IA was recommended last year by a DNC Committee as a way to make the primary as a whole more representative of the wishes of voters nationwide – you’re saying you want is to be LESS so?
SR
Jessica – Oh, and further still:
At least 60% of Obama voters said they would vote for Hillary is she is the nominee, which means they would be ok with a re-vote in MI, even if it resulted in her winning the nomination.
The recent plan for a re-vote im MI needed three singnatures: Hillary’s , the DNC’s, and Obama’s.
Hillary signed it.
The DNC signed it.
Obama…didn’t sign it.
Which means he not only is going against the MI Dem Party and the will of the voters in MI…
…but against that of both his own Party
and
the majority of his own supporters.
Hmm.
SR
Annetteinohio–you weren’t scammed. That’s the Obama people putting out more lies. Go hillaryclinton.com to the fact hub. It reviews all the misleading info. the Obama people are putting out there and gives you the real facts.
I am sticking with Hillary and I am not giving up anytime soon! The voices of Florida and Michigan need to be heard, and their votes should count! Hillary all the way!
Obama is very good with words, that is to include twisting words.
There are many double standards being unfair to Hillary.
When republican would vote or whispered to Obama (per Obama in one of his campaign) he/she would vote for him, the message he’s trying to send with his words is “unity”, he’s trying to unite American.
When Hillary reaching out to Republican, she is being called dirty politic. And when the facts that many republican vote for Hillary, republican are being called “dirty politic”. Did it ever occur to anyone and the media that republican is crying for help trying to reach out to Hillary? That should tell everybody who is going to win on the general election. Let me put it this way … even Republican would vote for Hillary than McCain. Hence, Hillary will unite all parties. Obama is trying to twist and spread dirty words that republican did dirty politic. Get real … HILLARY WILL UNITE AMERICAN ALL PARTIES, INDEPENDENT, ALL RACES AND ETHNICS, YOUNG AND RIPE. IT IS UNITY. OBAMA IS DIVIDER.
I think Obama is the dirty politic and divide this country.
He is good with words, he may make a very good advocate. But who’s advocate will he be? It’s so scary.
I am sticking with Hillary till the end. She is professional, courageous, and compassionate. She is our “hope” for a better America. The pundits are just not nice folks who want to give the nation to an unknown with an unknown agenda. I am in Fl ; the double standards and conspiracy theory that have been displayed in this election is shameful and the DNC(howard dean) should be held accountable for it’s decisions and actions. Hang tight Hillary, we know that you are fighting for us and we will party with you all the way to 1600 Penn Ave!
Sergei: Whatever you think of Dean’s choice to grant waivers, that is what he did. And if the DNC wanted other states to move up their primaries, great, I’m all for mixing it up. But that wasn’t what was in place for this year. If everyone knew these were the rules back in August, where was the outrage about Michigan and Florida from the candidates? Clearly, no one was worried about their votes until the race tightened up.
And to your point about Florida, yes the republicans took advantage of their position to screw the democrats. But many state democrats never thought the rules would be enforced because they thought Florida was too important. They took a risk and got burned. Florida voters should be mad, but not at the DNC. If you’re interested in a fair accounting of this issue, check out this article:
http://www.sptimes.com/2007/10/07/State/Florida_faces_a_prima.shtml
Ironically, former DNC chair and current Clinton campaign chairman, Terry McAuliffe told Michigan in 2004 that they couldn’t move up their primary. He said, “I will not let you break this entire nominating process for one state. The rules are the rules.”
“Democrats divide at their own peril. Signing a petition to vote against Obama (or Clinton for that matter) in the general election means that petty intra-party squabbling is more important than core Democratic ideals that both candidates share. Support your candidate, but don’t lose sight of the big picture.”
Someone posted this…and GUESS WHAT…I am an stauch hillary supporter… BUT I am an independent.. for me Mccain has done more to serve thsi country and I will have no problem voting for hom if this Democratic party is dumb enough to nominate FRAUD OBAMA…
Mccain is for environ. protections, for stem-cell research, agn drilling in alaska, agn bush’s tax cuts… a lot of these are “core dem values”
so, as an independent voter, HIllary is the ONLY CHOICE TO BEAT MCCAIN…..
however is IDIOT Pelosi, Dean, Kerry and Kennedy are so concerned about the democratic party, and if you are reading this… Mccain is an attractive candidate.. if Hillary is not the nominee… and the way this DNC has overlooked the sexism directed at Hillary… YOU WILL HAVE LOST A GENERATION OF YOUNG INDEPENDENT VOTERS LIKE ME!!!!!
I totally agree that there is “no way the Democratic Party survives without counting voters in FL & MI.” We need to see the exercise of effective leadership from Chairman Dean in order to save the Democratic Party.
Unfortunately, all the conspiracy theories and calls on Senator Clinton to quit is based on emotions and normative statements. People need to take a hard look at the issues that matter most to the average American: education, health insurance, mortgage payments – not to mention foreign policy issues. Who is the best candidate to confront and resolve those issues in a well thought-out and meticulously planned method?? No other than Senator Clinton.
And does the so-called elitist of the DNC honestly believe that the Republicans will NOT trounced Obama with Rezko, Jeremy Wright, “typical white American” It is time the executive members of the DNC put aside their personal prejudices and consider the most electable candidate come November.
I made up my mind from the beginning that Senator Clinton is the best candidate for the Presidency and I will continue to fight with her to the end! And I applaud the stand taken by all those supporters who continue to have faith in Senator Clinton’s ability to withstand the despicable hatred that has been unashamedly being displayed against her.
Yeah, chill everyone! The “party has just begun” and Hillary win will in the end! And I sure will be around to celebrate her victory – and America’s victory!!!
I think obama should DROP out NOW! I am digusted with the media buffoons falling all over this clown but while there little circus continues to be wooed by obama Hillary is going to show them what a real LEADER looks like and this leader doesn’t quit or give in to their biased number crunching!!!
obama won most of the caucus’s that don’t represent the WHOLE voting population… he wants to leave florida and michigan out in the COLD! we are supposed to be the democratic party and this is the most UNDEMOCRATIC thing we can do!!!
Hillary all the way or I will either vote mccain or stay home!
3/22/2008
Tonight I went downtown St. Paul MN where our team plays hockey games (and the GOP National Convention will be there this summer) and saw a statute of Herb Brooks in front. Herb Brooks was the USA 1960 Olympic gold medal coach who defeated a very strong USSR team. The USA was a huge underdog. There is a quote under the statute that says, “Do you believe in miracles?” Yes, I do and against all odds Hillary Clinton is by far and wide the most qualified candidate to beat Sen. McCain and run this country. I believe all of us have seen her ability to fight like a champion and never give up. Her speech after the Ohio win was so inspirational. We now have to stand up for Hillary because she will stand up for us. Hard work by all of us should put her over the top. Never, ever give up on Hillary because so many can now see that she has the heart and mind of Champion. Go Hillary.
Don’t you think it’s likely that Limbaugh and the conservative right orchestrated the same maneuver in Obama’s favor in all the red states that swung in his favor to knock out the Democratic front-runner starting with Iowa…wasn’t that Clinton?
Once they believed Clinton was effectively neutralized and Obama became the front-runner, they launched their attack against him.
It’s perfect for them. If Hillary is named the nominee, Democrats lose the youth and black vote needed to ensure victory in the General Election. If Obama is named the nominee, the Wright controversy has cost him the Independent vote and very likely white males. And of course, women become the disenfranchised demographic. He’ll also lose Michigan and Florida because they will resent him for not fighting to ensure their ‘voices’ were heard, and they’ll resent the Democratic Party for devaluing their vote.
I believe the only way the Democrats can win in November is if the candidates run on a combined ticket and that’s only if it isn’t too late…
let me get this straight…and first let me say that i am an Obama supporter, and a big one at that. however if he were to lose, i would support whomever the Dem nominee is. i mean really, there is not that much fundamental difference between Obama and Clinton. both would end the war, which i am fairly sure is top on all our lists.
but when i read about folks here who say they would vote for McCain if Obama is our nominee, quite frankly i’m shocked. have you given any thought to what you are saying–voting for more war, possibly war with Iran–just because your candidate didn’t get the nomination? that’s a pretty self-absorbed–actually selfish–attitude. maybe it’s time to take a deep breath and remember than in a couple months this will all be over, we will have a Democratic nominee, and we will all come together to help them beat the crap out of John McCain.
NC4Hillary – are you for real? signing a petition to vote against Obama in the general election if he is our nominee? i can only assume you are not a Democrat, since it would make absolutely no sense to vote for someone (McCain, Nader??) who goes against so much of what we believe in. for God’s sake, does ending the war not figure into your consciousness? I just can’t believe our party would not end up supporting our nominee, no matter who it is. And again, I’m an Obama supporter, but you’ll see me campaigning for Hillary if she gets our nomination. again, things are heated now, but you have to think big picture.
JohnP
As a Hillary Clinton supporter I agree, everyone needs to look at the bigger picture and remember how important it is to put a Democrat in the White House.
it is utterly ridiculous of those people who urge or demand (the nerve!) that hillary should drop out. is it because he’s apparently losing steam? is it because his being a unifier, being high-minded and a “clean” candidate are all unraveling to be a sham? we who support hillary do so because we can see she has the qualifications and the personal qualities that suit the most important job of the country. obviously, we trust her more than the other candidates, to work hard to better the lives of the majority of americans, to have the better plan of solving the enormous problems of the country. and we trust her more because her true records show she is a woman of her word, a highly intelligent, strong, loyal person who has the grit to carry on in difficult times to do what she set out to do for the common good. we trust her to work for the COMMON GOOD, of all colors, races, ages, genders, why, even for those who are against her.
we believe in her, and until the end of this election yaer, we will not waver in our support for her.
sticking with hillary, yes we are!
to JohnP:
it would be nice to see you campaign for hillary when she gets the nomination. thank you!
Just for the record. Obama supporters may campaign for Hillary if she is the nominee but it is not so if Obama is the nominee because more than half of America doesn’t trust him, and thinks he will be the worst thing that ever happened to America. This has nothing to do with skin color. I say write Hillary in or vote Ron Paul who is still in the game. Both will end the war and preserve the constitution. I hope this helps you understand that it is not about being a sore loser. It’s about TRUST!
How can you overlook all the serious lies he has committed just during these few months in the campaign. These lies of his are current events and not some well known archived event!!!
Anyone care to do a numbered list of the grave lies? I just can’t believe how Obama supporters don’t care about his lack of integrity. Stange. Very strange.
What’s wrong with these democrats in Iowa? I think democratic party needs to boycott Iowa instead of florida & michigan. Last time the losers in iowa gave the election to sour loser John Kerry. This time they gave the election to another loser Obama. They are keep handing the presidency over to republican.
How can anyone think that Obama is better than Hillary?
Only experience Obama has is giving empty speeches & listening to hate monger racist Wright for 20 years.
Grow up democrat! If you don’t grow up soon you will see John McCain in the white house.
RG, i don’t want to get into debating campaign “lies” with you, but i would say there has been stretching of truth on both side of our debate (Obama and Clinton).
again, once we have a nominee, it comes down to supporting our Democratic vaules, and i still come back to the war–the biggest influence we can have on healing this country. I believe Obama is our best chance at this, and I am working to help him win our nomination. But again, if Hillary wins, I will work for her. Really what is the option–write in Ron Paul?? May I offer for reference election 2000…a vote for anyone other than our Democratic nominee is a vote for McCain and more war with Iraq and possibly Iran.
I hope everyone’s heads can clear after our nomination is settled and we can remember what we have in common. it’s not too early to think about this.
Sometimes your conscious has to play a role in who you vote for when the democratic party has allowed the unethical actions that have been demonstrated in this election. I think and this is my opinion for anyone to ask for everyone to rally behind BO is asking a bit to much considering the integrity that his campaign has shown. If the democratic party is not in the WH in 2009 place the blame where it belongs.
I’m still with Hillary too and I have been all along. The Obama supporters better take a second look because it is becoming evident that Obama is a liar. He lied about Geraldine Ferraro, his old Grandmother being racist, and his pastor and “sitting in the pews” for starters. BO needs to be exposed in any way that is legally possible. He has underhandedly exposed anyone who even insinuated racism on both sides. So, turn about is fair play. Afterall, Hillary Clinton’s entire life is out there for everybody to knock around. What about gender bias in this country? BOis also spinning his objections to the war, another half truth. When I objected to the Vietnam War, I was out protesting in the streets”, not giving a single speech about Irag and never mentioning it again until deciding to run for President. Obama needs to bow out of the race now, with dignity, instead of insuring that the President is” more of the same McCain”. The Republicans will run this “Obama pastor’s “Hate America” words from the pulpit” relentlessly, and rightfully so if, and that is a big ”IF”, BO was to get the Democratic nomination. Please Senator Obama quit now and save our Democratic party. BO opportunistically turned his “firestorm of his pastor’s ranting” into a free, nationally televised campaign speech. A little unfair to the other candidates, don’t you think? Hillary Clinton is right for America because we have very serious issues immediately facing “US” and we need a credible, intelligent, motivating President who will cross party lines to settle the issues we face in America (economy, health care, shrinking middle class, Irag), the land that “we all love”. It’s questionable to me now, and has been since BO so suddenly “seized a perceived opportunity” to inject himself in the race for President, if Barack really does care about America or promoting his own agenda as the new MLK? Now there’s the lie and spin about Bill say BO is unAmerican. More spin by and for Obama at its best. However, I really to question his patriotism, judgement, honesty, ability… thanks for reading, moblou KY
Hillary is the candidate that will take us to the White House. Obama will be eaten alive by the Republicans. Hillary has a proven record Obama has very little record. Obama claims to unite but I have never seen this Country more divided.
Hillary is in to win and she shouldn’t drop out. Obama’s bubble has bursted even though the media continues to try to reinflate him. He’s done.!!!!!!!Hillary will sweep PA, WV, KY, and Indiana in large maigins. She will win, but by a smaller margin in NC and she will break even in MT, SD, and OR ( He may still take these by small margins.) Then she will take PR by double digits. By the time this all happens Hillary will have tied Obama in the popular vote, without counting FL and MI. So the DNC will have to divide the delegates and count those states. When that happens she will win. The super delegates will have to come to her because it will be very, very clear that Obama is not electable in the general election!!!!!
And if they ram a dud down our throats, we will fire them. Howard Dean will be back practicing medicine in some small hamlet in Vt. . Nancy Polosi will be working as a real estate broker and John Kerry and Ted Kennedy will be taking up fulltime residency on Martha’s Vinyard. Massachussetts was very clear about who they wanted to be nominated!!!!!! They should hold their senators accountable as superdelegates!!!!
I’m sticking with HIllary all they way. She is our only chance for a democratic president and we can’t afford to loose this one!!!!!!!!
Those super delegates need to choose the candidate who can win in the fall, there personal Sqabbles aside!!!!That Candidate is clearly Hillary Clinton and as the race moves forward it will become more and more clear!!!!!!
They need not blame Clinton for Obama’s down fall, Obama will be vetted regardless!!! The question is, will it be in the primary or the general? I think it should be now!!!To put him up unvetted would be a huge mistake. Fox News has years of Pastor Wright tapes as well as others. They probably have some with Obama in the audiance during some of his divisive sermons. I’m sure they are holding that those for John McCain!!!! Also, the money entaglement Obama has with Rezcko grows be the minute!!! He’s openly been cought in lies about his campaign’s meeting with the Canadian councilets on NAFTA. The Canadians finely confirmed that there was such a meeting!!! Obama’s campaign tried to claim that Clinton went to the Canadians too, but once again the Canadians confirmed that Clinton did not.
All they have on Clinton is that she still hasn’t released her taxes and neither has Obama. And they will keep going back to Bill Clinton’s infidelity!!! Like we should hold it against Hillary. It’s her fault!!! Give me a break. I know that the american people are smarter than that. Now they are combing the First Lady schedules during Hillary’s days in the white house. I haven’t head a bomb drop yet!!!!
HEAR, HEAR! What a great blog. One of my favorite political sites really has great information about how Hillary is the one to win in the November election, http://www.electoral-vote.com.
Hillary should and will win the nomination. If she doesn’t I hope she will think of running as an Independent! We can’t afford another Jimmy Carter.
Jessica,
Clinton only agreed to not campaign in those states. She never agreed to not have the votes counted. That’s exactly why she left her name on all the ballots. The DNC stripped those states of their delegates, not the candidates!!!! Besides, in Florida Obama plugged the air waives with TV ads, which was in violation of their agreement not to campaign there. Also in Florida, the republican governor and the republican legistator moved up the primary date.
It was the DNC who are disenfranchised 2 states encompasing 26 million people!!!!!! Over 3 million voted already in those primaries. If Howard Dean likes his job, he better pay for revotes are count the one that voted.
The DNC has a responsibility to protect our parties nomiating process from manipulation by the republicans. If we leave the door open for republicans to manipulate our nomination process, they will!!
It’s a no brainer that if they can manipulate our procees to the extent that we are forced to put up a weaker nominee, than they will and currently it looks like they have. This is not the first time republicans have tampering with Florida democratic votes. This is the same thing all over again just by manipulating the process during the primary, rather than the general!!!!!
Howard Dean and the pary have no choice but to do a revote or count the votes. The Florida and Michigan voters did not sign on to be disenfranchised. The party cannot take those voters rights away. The right to vote does not belong to the DNC, it belongs to the voters!!!!!! I don’t think that the DNC rules would stand up to constitutional scrutiny!!!!!
Howard Dean will be back in VT very shortly if he doesn’t fix this!!!!!!!!
Jessica,
Clinton only agreed to not campaign in those states. She never agreed to not have the votes counted. That’s exactly why she left her name on all the ballots. The DNC stripped those states of their delegates, not the candidates!!!! Besides, in Florida Obama plugged the air waives with TV ads, which was in violation of their agreement not to campaign there. Also in Florida, the republican governor and the republican legistator moved up the primary date.
It was the DNC who disenfranchised 2 states encompasing 26 million people!!!!!! Over 3 million voted already in those primaries. If Howard Dean likes his job, he better pay for revotes or count the one that voted.
The DNC has a responsibility to protect our parties nomiating process from manipulation by the republicans. If we leave the door open for republicans to manipulate our nomination process, they will!!
It’s a no brainer that if they can manipulate our procees to their advantage in an effort to forced us to put up a weaker nominee, than they will, as it currently looks like they have. This is not the first time republicans have tampering with Florida democratic votes. This is the same thing all over again just by manipulating the process during the primary, rather than the general!!!!!
Howard Dean and the pary have no choice but to do a revote or count the votes. The Florida and Michigan voters did not sign on to be disenfranchised. The party cannot take those voters rights away. The right to vote does not belong to the DNC, it belongs to the voters!!!!!! I don’t think that the DNC rules would stand up to constitutional scrutiny!!!!!
Howard Dean will be back in VT very shortly if he doesn’t fix this!!!!!!!!
today Obama said following words:
I lied to voters when I said “change” because I voted 129 times for “present”
Iied to voters when I said “we are one nation” because I was so honored to have Pathner’s support, and list its name on my official website. although I knew Pathner is a separist organisition.
I lied to voters when I said ‘unify ‘ because I went to a black anti -America church for 20 years.
I lied to voters when I said I had good judge,because I believed in Wright 20 years.
I lied to voters when I said that I will end war in Iraq, because my adviser told the foreign reports that my plan are just words as president I won’t depend on it.
NAFTA -gate.you all know I lied to you .
I defends Wright and wants to throw my white grandmother , a typical white person under the bus
do you want to vote for me?
First I assume all pro or anti Clinton people on here agree that the country doesn’t need a Bush 3 term with McCain…..ok then it has got to the point in this contest that in “my opinion” the only way Hillary can win the nomination is for the super delegates to swing the nomination in her favor – Can we all at least agree on that? Obama will have more pledged delegates and some may disagree with this on here, but Obama will also have the most popular votes. So how in the world is the Democratic party insiders going to explain to all the millions of voters that supported Obama especially the young and African American voters, that the candidate that had the most pledged delegates, the most popular votes, won more states, raised more money and clearly had the best ran campaign, not to mention he took the high road in this campaign, that they decided to declare Clinton the nominee. Before you start attacking me know that I will support either candidate, but Obama is clearly motivating the young people in a way that will be historical by any measure and reality is Hillary won’t bring those voters with her into a general election if they feel like they spoke loudly and then were not heard. As a progressive I accept that I will need to support Obama with my voice, time and wallet to bring the progressive change we desperately need in OUR country just as I will if Clinton gets our nomination.
Just as Obama can’t, there is no way Clinton can win ( she starts with 48% who say they won’t vote for her no matter what ) without the whole party behind her which she WOULD have had if she was in the position Obama is. But the clear fact is she isn’t and all the Clinton supporters ( myself included ) need to accept the will of the voters and move forward behind our nominee – Like it or not that is the position the party is in and we need to stop arguing among ourselves or you will be getting Bush 3 for President! I rather have a little of something good then nothing of a whole bunch of good. The realities are that if the super delegates swing this election to Clinton then the most loyal constituency and our future constituency will sit out……it is simple as that. I don’t like them sitting out no less than I do if a bitter Clinton supporter does the same, but the fact is they will. Most young people don’t vote unless they are inspired to do so and frankly as much as I believe Hillary would make a great president, she won’t come close to how many Obama will bring into the process…….we then will never know how many young people would had joined the political process supporting a progressive agenda and that would be a huge shame that we lost those voices for a change in this country.
Let’s not loss sight of the real prize….the Supreme court since the next President will most likely nominate two and maybe three to the court in the next 8 years. We would be negligent as Democrats to deny the will of the next generation of voters in our party so let’s all please all wake up and ask ourselves do we want the next President to be someone who will swing the Supreme court dramatically to the right that will adversely affect many of the issues that will affect the life’s of every Clinton or Obama supporter in a way that will leave us regretting any decision by any of us to NOT support the Democratic nominee. The issues are what really is important so please let’s not be so selfish to our children because we were so pissed off because ‘our’ candidate didn’t win – they may never forgive us!
Please don’t give me the Florida & Michigan story that the votes should count. We all I know that most primaries in most election years don’t matter so these won’t either. I live in Michigan and know many Democrats who didn’t vote because they were told that their votes would not count. Then take my brother who is a huge Clinton supporter whom voted in the Republican primary since he wanted to vote against Romney since he though his vote didn’t matter with the Democrats. Well according to rules Hillary is insisting on if a re-vote was held, anyone that voted in the Republican race could not vote in a redo so he would not be able to vote in a new primary simply because she doesn’t want any Independents or Republicans voting for Obama. So who is disenfranchising who! Anyhow she only got 55% of the vote with just Kucinich, Dodd and herself on the ballot. I know my state well when it comes to the electorate and she would lose this state in a re-vote in my intelligent opinion.
I’m not here to tell you to vote for, I would encourage you to vote for whomever you feel would be a better choice for President in your state primaries or caucus.
But then if your choice for President doesn’t win the nomination, I then ask you to not be so bitter that it stops you from supporting the Democratic nominee. I just believe that would be a huge mistake for either Obama or Clinton supporters. If you really care about yours and the country’s issues that are in dire need of being address the hopefully you will get behind the winner of this process.
How are you going to feel if after Clinton persuades you to be so bitter towards Obama just to get more votes and then when this is all over and she doesn’t prevail as the nominee she then throws her support behind Obama and encourages her supporters to do the same? It would make me feel betrayed since negative feelings were drummed up by her towards Obama when your vote was worth something, but when it isn’t any longer then it is just OK to like him and all of a sudden he was really fit to be President after all.
So at this point Clinton supporters need to ask themselves are they on the side of progressive change or on the side to destroy Obama and the millions of Democrats, Independents and yes even some Republicans desire to see the changes I’m sure most of us would agree that our country needs happens. I do know one thing is certain, if we don’t come together you’ll forget about Obama quickly if McCain wins, but never will what could have been!
I came back to this site just to prove what I already knew and this is what I find:
I defends Wright and wants to throw my white grandmother , a typical white person under the bus
Never were the implications more clear. I said I would vote, however reluctantly, for either candidate because of the war. I was attacked with:
You sound like a broken record… repeating the same tired memes over and over again
John P. I wish you the very best. Out of these comments, yours is the only comment I can comprehend. In spite of its claims, this blog will let comments like the first one glaringly imply a method of speaking never demonstrated by Senator Obama. Never has he spoken that way and the implication is very obvious, I don’t even need to say it. But on this blog, it is acceptable.
I was attacked on this blog because I highlighted a disappointing direction Hillary supporters have taken, which is to vote for McCain as their only alternative. It is their right to do this. I was attacked for that too, saying no one is planning to do that, but then multiple comments that followed said they would do exactly that.
I cited a number of reasons why I very emotionally feel that my vote is about the war and its ending. My rationale was attacked there as well. It is unfortunate that this primary may be the undoing of the Democratic Party and if that’s the case, my single vote will make little difference. But the comment highlighted above says so much and it’s heartbreaking to see. Yes, you can attack me as so many did for supporting Obama first and Democrats second.
This thread demonstrates every point I made. And if I have said a single offensive thing here, let me say in advance that I apologize. From what I have read of my words several times here is absolutely nothing compared to what is being said from so many of the other posters. If this primary damages the Democratic Party, I will know I did all I could. And saying my support for Obama destroys the party is not a reason for another attack on me. I too have a vote and have already said I would vote for Clinton even though she is not my choice. I may seriously question her sincerity with regard to ending the war but I have to hope she would see it through.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OQw-ri1nMU&feature=related
Not great quality but awesome displays of lack of judgement, character and dishonesty. PASS IT ON!
There were many things I wasn’t aware of.
I really wish this video could be redone for quality purposes.
You got it. Now spread the word – give her campaign money.
Obama’s spending like a madman……
Do the math :
if 1000 people gave 25 dollars , thats 25000
if 4000 people gave 25 dollars, that 100000
If 40,000 people gave 25 dollars , thats yes 1 million dollars
Now how many votes has Hilary gotten nationally?
Time to start asking people to donate money ;
Show them how to do it on the internet.
Lets go people !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I cannot vote for either Hillary or Obama, as I am from the UK, but what I read hear saddens me, especially as this is a democrat website.
Were the Pastors words unfortunate? Well yes when taken out of context they were. America has however terrible racial issues that it still today fails to address. Ultimately, as Obama was attempting to point out in his speech and all Democrats should understand this – it boils down to this whether you are black, white or Asian, being poor in America is not good. To top that, imagine being a low income Muslim in America. Democrats should concern themselves with that.
What seems wrong with Hillary supporters is they are ready to support Faux lies against one of their own.Rather than condemn the “Pastor story”, the ridiculous “Panther story” (anyone could sign up on HRCs page as KKKforHill), the Hillary campaign stayed silent and let one of their own swallow racial crap.
You have a historical opportunity to elect either the first African American or the first Woman President. I watch daily as you tear yourselves apart and yes the Hillary campaign is doing that more than Obama. The spam emails encouraged on her site for example?
For what purpose? Do you realise what people in other Countries think of you? You votwd for Bush twice? You will do it again? And still you think the Pastor quoting a former diplomat saying 9/11 was chickens coming home to roost was in some way wrong?
Jemma Said: on March 21st, 2008 at 6:10 pm
Florida and Michigan had a very long time to address their delegates. They chose not to. Hillary and Barack SIGNED AGREEMENTS saying they would not campaign or participate in elections in Florida and Michigan. Is anyone posting those SIGNED AGREEMENTS? Does Hillary have no integrity?
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Jemma, the better question is are you a moron? Because OBAMA did campaign in those states, including running ads in Florida and OUTSPENDING Hillary there. And he LOST. Repeat it now: HE CAMPAIGNED, HE OUTSPENT, HE LOST. Now the next time you or any of you Obamabots open your traps on this you KNOW and you know you are whining losing hypocrites.
What kind of integrity do YOU and your faux-messiah have? NONE, Especially since you ALL know it’s OVER and there is NO way for Barack “Damn America” Hussein Obama to win….so the NARCISSIST with mommy problems should step aside now and apologize and do the UNITING he claims to be so good at.
Let’s see that uniting power, shall we? Thought not, you frauds.
America can not afford another four years of “Bush Mentality” and “Bush
Agendas” – which is what Mr. McCain is offering. Hillary will stand up
to the Republican party and John McCain and weather whatever storm they
throw in her direction.
I have watched, listened to and been angered by the bias of the press
toward this extremely strong, caring, knowledgeable woman. I have,
over time, watched her opponent handed a free pass to say and do
whatever he pleases and is applauded by this same press. She has shown
me that she is ten fold stronger and more enduring then her opponent by
continuing to address the issues that should be of the greatest
concern to each and every citizen in this country. Yes, Great Country
- Not “G.D. America” expressed by Mr. Obama’s pastor! She has pointed
out his weakness, including “Change” with no substance and has been
bashed for it. She has been called a whiner, taking cheap shots, and
baseless.
Mr. Obama can not wait to tell the voters that He Has Always Been
Against The War and Never Voted For The War Like Mrs. Clinton Did.
Well, that’s really fine, considering he was NOT a Senator at the time
and therefore could NOT have voted one way or the other! How do any of
us truly know how he would have voted?
Mr. Obama is chairing committees that he has not shown up for so much
as one to vote on, because he’s too busy! Will he be too busy to
address the very serious issues that face the voters of this country
when he’s in the White House? Mr. Obama’s Spin is just that, Spin –
with no substance!
Mr. Obama was on a radio station this morning addressing his comments
about his Grandmother. It seems he thinks it’s stereotypical of white
people to be afraid to pass black people on the street! Excuse me! I
am Algonquin and French, I was brought up to never judge others by the
color of the skin or religion! I do not pass my neighbors in fear!!
The good citizens and voters of both Michigan and Florida have a right
for their votes to be heard! The press on CNN suggested that both
Candidates should come together to address this issue. As they were
uttering this thought, I was thinking to myself that if Mrs. Clinton
were the one to come forward first to reach out and bring about a
resolution to this issue, the press will be the first ones to bash her!
Well, sure enough, she Did come forward and CNN called her a Whiner!
She stated that the people of both these states should be allow to
revote and have their voices heard! That if Mr. Obama is for ALL The
People of this Country he should step up to the cause. Mr. Obama
slanted her by saying he did not need these votes – he’s winning! He
turned it down!
We Need A Strong, Decisive, Intelligent Presence in the White House!
Barak will curl up in his shell and repetitively cry “Change”.
America Needs Hillary, Not Green Corn!
Zee, Senator Obama’s ads in Florida were part of a larger multi-state ad buy. I will not resort to name calling as you so kindly have.
You do your candidate a disservice. I have said I would vote for Clinton if that was the only choice even though it would not be my first choice by any stretch. However, your approach does not make that particularly palatable.
How could this blog possibly support the Democratic Party if Senator Clinton is not the nominee?
Why would Senator Obama step down when he is leading in delegates, leading in the popular vote, continuing to receive SD endorsements and continues to receive sustantial donations from a very broad base of supporters across the country? Why in the world would he step down? Because those that support Hillary said to?
Was Senator Obama supposed to tell Governor Bill Richardson Friday, “I’m sorry, I’d like to receive my 48th endorsement since Super Tuesday from you, but I’ve decided to step down because Hillary’s supporters think I should”? It makes no sense.
I was reading some of the other blogs, and I felt I had to comment on the comments made by the Trinity church today as well as the previous comments and this whole wright thing…
First, I am not a christian, however I know how much of an important day easter is, and what it means to christians and the importance of the story
….when I heard what the trinity church said in the past and today…I felt, is this what I would want in a presidential candidate? someone who claims that he wants to unite people of all races and religions and yet is part of this racist, anti-american, divisive church??
and Obama did not have the judgement or the courage to go somewhere else for 20+ years?.. I can honestly say NO…
some people on other blogs are saying well, we “democrats”, have to see the bigger picture and are amazed that hillary supporters will not support obama b/c the bigger democratic values are at stake.
well, I am an independent, who tends to vote democrat… I have been to black churches and I saw peace and love being preached , none of this hatred that I saw at Obama’s church…
another thing about Obama’s 20+ church that bothered me is the anti-american rhertoric…. I understand critisim of certain US policies…but the people in the church were cheering that it was american’s fault for 9/11 ( 5 days after it happened), and that america deserved 9/11, IN THE SAME WAY SOME PALESTIANS and other extremists in the middle east were celebrating in the streets when this horrible event happened in our beloved country….
(today… I watched on youtube the footage for 9/11 with enya in the background…and I was in tearsI posted it here: ..
http://youtube.com/watch?v=BUxrPHxTVIA
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HOW CAN I VOTE FOR OBAMA, a MAN THAT ATTENED A CHURCH THAT SAID “GOD DAMN AMERICA”, and “AMERICA DESERVED THIS”? Tell me how can I overlook this, and vote for a man(obama), who stayed with a church that made these vile statements?
this coutnry is in trouble, and needs a leader who can steer it in the right direction, like hillary!
And if hillary is not the nominee I can easily vote for Mccain, some of his policies are “core-democrat values”, he wants environ. protections, agn drilling in alaska, for stem-cell research… and although I may disagree with some of a policies of Mccain, I HAVE NO DOUBT in my mind that he LOVES his country… and will genuinely try to steer it in the right direction… and yes some comments said…”how can you vote for mccain and his 100 year war?and his attack on Iran?”
one, I will vote mccain and then dems the rest of the ticket for damage control… and as for the “staying for 100 years in iraq”…well.. in germany US troops/bases have been there for 60 yrs… so while I never agreed with the iraq war in the first place… I know Mccain ( and my first choice hillary also)…knows because of his experience that hope doesn’t erase all troubles… it takes a complete understanding of the picture
It takes a person who is more concerned about steering this country in the right direction than steering their political career in advancement.
So, with all that being said…..today I watched wright’s angry words which brought out the worse in everyone, and then I watched the tribute to 9/11 victims and heroes (set to enya’s song)…which brings out the best in us… and I can say with all confidence that I will ONLY VOTE FOR hillary and if not her then Mccain…
I am a proud american before a proud democrat/independent. Thanks
David,
If the Florida and Michigan votes are counted or revotes are done in those states, its a wide open race. Clinton is polling very well in the up coming contests. She is polling 27 points over Obama in WV. In a PPP poll recently she polled 26 points over Obama in PA, a state the has 12.3 million people. WV has 1.8 million people. She is also polling very well in Ky and Indiana. Ky has 4 Million and Indiana has 6 Million. In NC he was ahead but now its at a stitstical dead heat. There are 8 million people in N.C.. Furthermore, PR has 3.5 million and she is strongly favored there as will.
So for all the misogynist pundits who are trying to force her to quit, its time to hold your horses. It looks good for Clinton to make some significant gains in these contests. The states that she is favored in are much bigger than the western states favoring Obama. Neither SD or MT have 1 million people. MT has 900,000 and SD has 755,000 people. The Only state of any size that favors Obama is Or. There are 3.4 Million people in Or and there too she’s picking up speed!!!!!!! There are still more than 500 delegates left and Obama is only about 130 delegates ahead!!!! If you want to talk math there you go!!! This race could still easily be turned around!!!!!
It is quite likely that she will catch him in the popular vote, and if FL and MI are counted or redone she would beat him. As for the super delegates, they need to pay close attention to the popular vote, as well as what states were won by which candidate. They need to look at the map, and the demographics, and then do the general election math. Based on that analysis they will determine who is the strongest candidate for the general election.
They should also be the voices for the disenfranchised in MI and FL, if those states aren’t counted. Clinton is still very much in this race!!!!!!!! And because she is the better general election candidate, we need her to stay in this race to the end!!!! We can’t afford for her to quit!!!!!
Obama is not electable in a general election and not just because of his Pastor. He can’t win big states and he can’t win big pivital swing states such as Ohio and Florida. Democrats always win N.Y. and California, but they also have to win states like Florida, Ohio, Pa, and Michigan. They have to pull most of the midwest and north east. Clinton cleaned up in the north east in all of the states of any size. Winning red states in a primary is not a good record with which to go the general election. We already know based on the demographics that those states will vote red in the Fall. Its a winner take all delegate game. Hillary is doing much better in those big swing states like Ohio, Florida and it’s looking good in Pa.!!!!!
Clinton’s a fighter and she will fight to the end!!!!!!And millions and millions of people are sticking with her!!!!!!
Senator Obama spoke very publicly against the war in 2002. This was not a popular thing to do at the time and if you want to take a trip down memory lane, you might read this article from the Washington Post on, ironically, 9/11/2002 where some brave Democrats such as Nancy Pelosi and Tom Daschle were trying to stop a powerplay by the Bush Administration to push the Iraq vote prior to November elections in order to paint those that didn’t support the war as soft on terrorism. This is the vote that was ultimately supported by Senator Clinton. The link is here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A64509-2002Sep10?language=printer
This was a highly volatile time and those that spoke against invading Iraq were NOT the popular ones. While Senator Obama has voted to fund the soldiers while in office, what was his alternative at this stage? Senator Obama has very strongly spoken on behalf of the soldiers serving for and after the war, where his positions on veteran benefits have been extremely supportive.
These soldiers have received shocking treatment after their service as well as if they are unfortunate to have been hurt in battle. Others have been stop-lossed repeatedly which is also called a “back-door draft”. Others, out of hopelessness and dispair, have committed suicide.
As I have said repeatedly, I would vote for Clinton as a second choice. However because I feel she took the path of least resistance on the Iraq vote, because her current advisors also supported invading Iraq, because she did not support Levin Amendment and did support the Kyle-Lieberman Amendment with regard to Iran, because she stood up and applauded during the president’s speech regarding the surge, these, among many other reasons I very strongly support Senator Obama over Senator Clinton.
Senator Obama’s speeches in 2002 were not popular at the time. Many newspapers agreed with him but President Bush’s approval ratings were high. The small segment that chose to speak out publicly against the war should be given some credit for their prescience.
I really don’t like to get into racial discussions because I come from a generation that just doesn’t grasp it. My generation has virtually no regard for the differences in race and I work for a company that is incredibly diverse. That said, I understood what Senator Obama meant both in his speeches and in his follow up with regard to his grandmother. My family also has a grandmother, in her 80s, that makes inappropriate remarks that I suppose were acceptable many decades ago, but are inconceivable now.
We do not shun our grandmother. We are not going to be able to change her, she doesn’t see what the problem is. Even more perplexing, she supports Senator Obama. She detests Hillary in a way I cannot justify. She’s a strong personality.
Pastor Wright’s comments were completely unacceptable. However, it is my understanding that that was not common, that he has been known for great works, much more commonly gave standard sermons and was well-respected. It is also my understanding that Senator McCain’s pastor has made highly controversial statements and there’s some rumor about Clinton’s faith but frankly I don’t even want to get into that.
I didn’t criticize the Clintons with regard to fidelity and I don’t care to mix church and state in any way shape or form. Mitt Romney’s faith was just about the only issue I didn’t have with him since I disagree with virtually every single word that comes out of his mouth. There is every chance Mitt Romney could be McCain’s VP. I heard Mitt Romney’s speech when he resigned and it was clear I am definitely a true blue Democrat.
Senator Obama reflects my values. Senator Clinton obviously reflects the values of those on this board. I personally question her management skills in addition to the war but that and all the other reasons I have listed would have to be overlooked in hopes she could be successful were she to be elected.
Not only is Obama’a judgment now in question, but so is his patriotism!!!! We need some one who loves this country and all its people!!!! Hillary is the one. If Obama’s pastor was also his spiritual adviser for 20 years and worked on his campaign, it is imposible for him not to have known Wright’s views. Furthermore, Wright has played a political role in Obama’s campaign. One can only assume that they share political idiology!!!!
Hillary Clinton loves this country as much or more than anyone. She has given her life to the public serve of this country!!!!! I am from N.Y. and Hillary is my senator. I’m also a New Yorker as in New York City. On 9/11 Clinton was there and ready on day one. She raised so much recovery money for N.Y.. She was on the front line to fight for the health and safety of the first respondenrs. While Guliani gave speeches and took bows, Hillary Clinton rolled up her sleeves and went to work for N.Y.!!!! She was wonderful!!! I am so proud that she is my senator and I know she will be a GREAT PRESIDENT!!!!!! GO HILLARY!!!!!!!!
Hay, NC4Hillary,
That youtube Clip was great!!!! Keep passing that one around in N.C.. How is Hill doing in the polls there? I here that she’s made up some ground!!! If you hear anything local please post it.
Jemma,
Those ads were stratigically played. He might have bought them in bulk, but he had an agreement not to campaiign in the state. Therefore he had a responsibility not to play them in Florida and he did anyway!!!! There is no excuse, so lets count the votes!!!!!
When I first heard a rumor that Sneator Clinton might run for President I got excited.
When she publicly declared it I was a confirmed Hillary supporter.
When my state had our caucus I participated because she needed me to and I became a delegate as another way to support her.
When the media started to count her out I got online to find people like me, ready to help however we can. http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net
When she loaned her campaign money that told me she was committed to see this to the end and I donated…I donate every week when I get my paycheck.
I too am in this with Hillary to win it. I blog, I email, I donate, I make calls because she is fighting for me and everyone like me, it’s the least I can do in return.
I am a Hillary supporter. I have been since her Senate race in NY. I support her because every time someone tries to knock her down, she gets right back up. I support her because she cares a great deal about this country. She has done a lot for the veterans and active military. To get them the benefits they derserve. For their service to our country. NO she hasnt been in the military. But she has over 30 flagship officers who feel she knows foriegn policy and the military.
I have been bashed numerous times because of my support for HIllary Clinton. I give them facts, they call me names. I give them facts again, they go vile and disgusting. I have seen a you tube video, where the young man *( I am being polite)* ralled against Senator Clinton. Even suggesting she just die. And not by natural causes..
Senator Obama’s onine supporters and his arrogant comments. Such as I have her supporters, she cant say the same. His democrat du jour commercials.. Have made me question what is he trying to accomplish.. Right now the question for me is how hard, and how long I will have to hold my nose to vote for him. The first and last Republican I voted for was Reagan.. Hey I was 18.
Regarding what CognitiveDissonance Said: on March 21st, 2008 at 4:30 pm – “I realize they wouldn’t be pushing that meme if she really had no chance. Instead, they would be totally ignoring her and campaigning against McCain. Did you notice McCain trashing Huckabee when he didn’t drop out? If these folks were all that confident about Obama – and that’s a sucker bet after the Rev. Wright fiasco – we wouldn’t be hearing a word from them. They would instead be out trashing McCain”
Not a fair comparison at all. If only Clinton was campaigning against Obama like Huckabee was against McCain then I could see your point. It isn’t him being scared that HRC may overtake him, just Obama has to stand up and guard himself from this negative strategy the Clinton camp sees as the only path to the nomination. Did you see Huckabee attack McCain in the same manner Clinton is with Obama. I would undoubtedly say not even close. Obama may had just started to focus on McCain if HRC wasn’t doing the Republicans party work for them. It is becoming a disgrace and to see her praise McCain over Obama…..that is unprecedented and just isn’t the way to win over undecided Democrats. Also Huckabee wasn’t stirring up this outright hatred for McCain like Clinton is with Obama and putting his party on a path to destruction.
As an American first and a Democrat second I have noticed that there isn’t much objectivity in most of these posts and the one above is an example. I understand the passion for wanting a your candidate to prevail, but I’m sure if Clinton was in the position Obama was the majority of these posts would be a 180 of the math, rhetoric and and there would be calls for Obama to step aside and I truly believe the pressure for him to do so would be too great for him to continue and justifiably so.
Clinton has every right to see this to the end if she thinks she can win and I don’t have a problem with that, I just do the way she is using fear and the Rove playbook against a fellow Democrat. Don’t be surprised if those white 30+ men the the Clinton camp is banking on get turned off by tall this and break for Obama. Listen we all can play the math game and give our theories of the path to victory now and in the general .So just let them play it out without the negative attacks and if someone has both the pledged delegate lead and popular vote lead then they should be the nominee without the pledged delegates swing this against the will of the voters. But if one has the popular vote and the other has the delegate lead then let the super delegates decide and then get behind a progressive agenda and end this war that is destroying the future’s of our children!
Please this isn’t about bragging rights and ego’s, it is about our country so stop the Rove plan of divide and conquer the democrats in it’s tracks!
Oh to the poster who said that McCain would be a good second choice….. how can you say you’re for Clinton but would be OK with McCain….it just doesn’t make sense. They are a world apart in the direction they would lead this country. Loving our country shouldn’t be a plus on a Presidential resume, it just should be a given!
Obama knew for more than 2 decades that his Pastor and close friend was an anti-semitic, anti-American, and an extremist. What about Wright’s relationship with Lous Farkhan and their trip to Libia to visit Kadafy who was tied to the PanAm Plane bombing over Lockerby, Scotland. This is the Spiritual Advisor that Obama defends. A radical extremist who hates America and even blames 9-11 on Americans. Obama has stated on many occassions that he was so inspired by Wright he even brought his tapes with him to Harvard. Obama’s 20 year relationship with Wright should prove that his judgement is poor and that he cannot be trusted. Is this is the type of change we want in the White House? Absolutely not. If by chance Obama gets the nomination, my vote is with McCain.
I love this post! As a Mexican American woman of color, I know you can never count a girl out! I just HATE this media bias and this sexist lens everyone seems to see Hillary through; Anti-Hillary didnt become everyday jargon by accident. Hillary all the way to June!!!!! She will prevail!
Ya know what? My post said Hillary to June because I was just thinking primaries but hell no! All the way to NOVEMBER!!!!
In the interest of the nation, the rest of the world, and the democratic party, Hill should gracefully bow out. There has been enough utensils thrown from the kitchen. What must be understood about this season, is that the American people want honesty and integrity from their leaders.
The conduct of the Clinton campaign has been and continues to be disgraceful. Does she have no shame? End this with class and leave yourself a political future and help the democrats sweep in the fall.
Anything less leaves a large stain on the Clinton legacy and undermines this democratic process!
I think what bothers me most is people like you Ralph. This is what a democracy is all about! My impression of the Democratic party is they love to argue, debate, and at the end of the day they shake hands.
Now if the end of the day is in June than so be it! It wouldn’t be this way if the Democrats didn’t have the porportional system. If it was the same system as the Republicans (winner takes all), than Hillary would have been the winner, considering she got all of the big states.
Someone once said that the democratic party is like herding cats! I hope it wasn’t meant as an insult who ever said it.
When you say she should drop out, you and the Obama supporters sound desperate!
That is one opinion that I have, the other is if Obama is the nominee than I will either write Hillary’s name in, or not vote for any presidential candidate, and just vote in my local election.
Now on another note:
Go Hillary GO GO GO!!!!!!!!!
I am with Hillary all the way. She is the best candidate to be the president from the day 1. Barack Obama is the most biggest liar,fake,fraud and hypocrite in the america history.
Relph B,
You are clearly a sexist ass who knows little about the primary system. Hillary can and will win!!! Clinton’s campaign tactics have been clean compared to Obama’s. Obama’s campaign has been extremely sexist and has openly engaged in race bating. Obama and his campaign have been the ones who has acted discracefully!!! Obama with the help of MSNBC and CNN have engaged in the most sexist tactics against Clinton that every woman in the country who is considering voting for him should ask themselves whether they want a president as sexist as he is.
Being progressive includes treating women as equals too, not just men of color. Apparently those media outlets like MSNBC and CNN who claim to be progressive clearly aren’t and they still hold sexist hatred toward women. Clinton doesn’t whine about it, but Obama claims everyone who challenges him is a racist even when they are clearly not!!!!! That came accross clealy in his speach about race after Pator Wright was revealed!!!! The “typical white person”!!!! Obama is a phoney. He is not a uniter, but rather is a divider!!!!!!
Obama has cut his own throat with his little pastor situationt!!!! He will now never be president!!!!The lying and disingenous responses he gave are obviously bull shit and the american people know it and will never send him to the White House!!!!!!! They will choose McCain first.
Hillary is the strongest candidate who can carry big states and the big purple states like Florida and Ohio. Obama will never win the presidency!!!!! He’s weak and he’s a phoney!!!!! The republicans will eat him alive!!! The Country will vote McCain and wait for Hillary in 2012 first!!!!! If you think it’s a joke and Hillary doesn’t get the nomination, just sit back and watch!!!!
I am not so sure I am as well informed and politically correct as most of the people on this blog…. However, I have been a fan of the Clintons ever since they became the Gov. of Arkansas and 1st Lady and after that pushed out the first of the Bush clan from their conceited rental, the WH. If it were not for the Rules and Regulations as per the Constitution Bill and Hill would still be in their beloved chalet. I just like them no matter what anybody else says or thinks… I am not that small minded…. and personal sex is not a matter for the congregation to judge…. Like the French say “Laisser fair, laisser passer”, or vv. But then the French are Roman Catholics with a wink…. You go to Maria, put your hand on her feet and drop a coin or 2 in the bucket… ALL YOUR SINS ARE FOR EVER FORGIVEN…. YOU’RE CLEAN !! I am not religious at all… I did not develope that way…. I’m 85… But to me that makes sense….
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It is sad that the Obama supporters are so vile as to say Hillary needs to drop out-what I find most problematic is the disregard for our fellow Americans who have not yet had their opportunity to participate in this most historic campaign process.
As for Obama as nominee, count one write in vote for Hillary as I will be voting my conscience. If it were to make any sense at all to the DNC the SD should align themselves with the candidate who has actually garnered the most core Dem. party votes which I believe would be Hillary.
I might also point out that those SD’s who have decided to support Obama based one the color of his skin that this is a form of racism something I do believe Mr. Obama is saying needs to stop in this country-well now would be a very good time for just that.
As for his patriotism-anyone who can’t tell the difference between being at a football game or being President with regard to placing hand over heart during the National Anthem really has no business running for POTUS. Bud- ya need to pick your battles, and pick wisely and if you think the Military is going to want to take orders from someone who can’t be bothered to place his/her hand over their heart-well then you really not fit to be POTUS. Placing ones hand over their heart during the National Anthem is also a sign of respect (IMHO) to all of those who have gone before us. You are not campaigning to govern only a small demographic but rather of ALL and that includes my Republican brothers one of whom is in the military and the rest of my family who trust me will NOT be voting for you in the GE should you get the nod. It also means governing and representing me to the rest of the world –and so far you are in my opinion not a good representation of me and my values-and so sir I will reject you as the POTUS. I am all for being radical ask my family and friends but there is a way to do so without being so disrespectful and dishonest.
Opening the race wound just as it really beginning to show signs of great healing was just plain stupid! And I’m angry as hell about it! I am apparently an “A-typical White Lesbian” who lives in the hood in Venice and have had the privilege of feeling very respected-as that is what I have given-what goes out does in fact come back-I can site many stories of what I have seen and experienced here over the past 13-14 years, how about the time my tire was shot during a drive-by and the guy ( a black man) had come over to tell me why my tire was flat-turns out he had dove under my car as it was higher than any of the other cars around-he apologized-my response was to ask if he alright and to let him know that a tire can be replaced-but he could not–my neighbor an elderly black gentleman (who would not give me the time of day when I moved in) came over and changed my tire for me. (My landlord replaced the shot-out tire-much to my surprise)
There was also the black woman (drug addict) who would come by asking for money almost on a daily basis-I always told her “no” but would offer food-(I loved it -she always wanted ham-& cheese_ i had only PB&J-not good enough for her-she was broke but knew what she wanted-how powerful was that!) well one day around Halloween she had come by the house-turns out she had gotten herself into recovery and had gotten some help-she came by because she said-she had wanted to show me herself all cleaned up and had wanted thank me for all I had done for her-I gave her food a waive and a smile along with a hello followed by her name- I never thought it was really all that much but apparently she did. I miss her these days-I have no idea where she is now-but for that one moment I was and have continued to be touched-I wonder if he has any of those moments or if his “mentor” has those moments with white people.
So in the name of moving forward out of the past thinking that has been bred into the minds of the likes Mr. Obama his wife, the Rev. Wright and any and all SD’s who have switched or are thinking of doing so from Hillary to Obama based on color -I suggest you think very seriously of what Dr. King meant in his DREAM Speech- “I dream of the day when my four daughters will be judged not by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.” Only in this way can the real work of healing begin for it will take both sides reaching out to one another and asking
“How can I help you to move US forward?”
I am no longer going to be one the white whipping girls for years of anger for something I have not nor have my friends or family been a part of. It is time for Black America to take stock of what has been done by the little people like me and others around you before continuing down this road of hatred. I am certain there have many wonderful moments shared by folks on all sides. Think about them-let them permeate and let us ALL move out of this energy of disharmony which Mr Obama has stirred up for political gain.
By the way –I do not use the term African-American or any other derivative thereof as it implies an allegiance to some other place before America. I also do not use the word Caucasian as it does not imply American at all.
In reading some of the links around the bloggosphere it would seem Mr. Obama has a tendency to cut in front of the line and to take credit where credit is not due, incredibly disrespectful-I’m curious as to where this practice was learned-from you’re “mentor” from a parent who/where? I actually feel sorry for the guy and his apparent turmoil-trying to figure out just where and how he fits in.
Hmmm, my parents taught us better and I am certain his did as well. Although I do agree with the post above with regard to the need of some counseling-there’s nothing wrong with counseling-the US and the world would have been better served had G. W. taken his father issues to counseling rather than displaying them in public for all the world to see and experience and at what cost in lives lost, money spent and services no longer being rendered. Sad-so sad.
I am wondering what is next- are we getting to the core-are there mother issues coming up not just for Obama but for the media in general-are you all really that angry at your mothers? If so please for the sake of the party and the country-might I suggest you take your issues elsewhere ie: a good counselor or a new “Spiritual Mentor” so we can back to the business of what needs to be done for the country. Because one thing I know for certain this is a country that can and will come together under the correct leadership to pick up the shovels and begin to dig ourselves out of this mess and to re-build ourselves from the inner most core –(infrastructure folks infrastructure) and we will be the Phoenix Rising and we will be a proud nation again. But we really don’t have the time have to deal with your personal issues.
. Once you’ve done your inner healing work -come on back –maybe in about 8 years.
In the meantime- Hillary can ask Rep. Maxine Waters (D. –L.A.) to run on her ticket-now there’s a powerful ticket!
I cannot vote for either Hillary or Obama, as I am from the UK, but what I read hear saddens me, especially as this is a democrat website.
Were the Pastors words unfortunate? Well yes when taken out of context they were. America has however terrible racial issues that it still today fails to address. Ultimately, as Obama was attempting to point out in his speech and all Democrats should understand this – it boils down to this whether you are black, white or Asian, being poor in America is not good. To top that, imagine being a low income Muslim in America. Democrats should concern themselves with that.
For those that thought the Pastor quoting a former diplomat saying 9/11 was chickens coming home to roost was wrong – have you travelled outside of the US? Do you not think that US actions abroad may have some consequence? 5,000 innocent people died in 9/11. 600,000+ have died in Iraq. FFS Hillary is claiming she met Martin McGuiness during the early 90s – when that man was responsible for bombing my own Country.
What seems wrong with Hillary supporters is they are ready to support Faux lies against one of their own.Rather than condemn the “Pastor story”, the ridiculous “Panther story” (anyone could sign up on HRCs page as KKKforHill), the Hillary campaign stayed silent and let one of their own swallow racial crap.
You have a historical opportunity to elect either the first African American or the first Woman President. I watch daily as you tear yourselves apart and yes the Hillary campaign is doing that more than Obama. The spam emails encouraged on her site for example?
For what purpose? Do you realise what people in other Countries think of you? You voted for Bush twice? There are those saying you will continue with the NeoCons if they do not get Hilary. Why?
I am an Australian so will not be able to vote for Hillary, even though I would like to see her as your President. Because the next President of the United States will have a huge impact on my country as well as the rest of the world, and because my voting preferences have always been left of centre, I have a tremendous interest in who will become the next Domocratic nominee. That is why I cannot understand why so many people are against Hilliary and continuously refer to her so-called flaws. Can someone tell me just what wrong-doings she is supposed to be hiding and why people speak so unkindly of her? I am hoping and praying that she becomes the next President of the United States, because the world needs her.
Sticking with who I think would make the best President- Senator Hillary Clinton!
Because Obama is finally being somewhat vetted by the national media, the momentum is shifting and I agree with this blogger–that’s why the Obama campaign wants to wrap it up asap even though, since this is a tight race in which neither can win without super delegates- the rest of the states have not voted. With big wins in Pennsylvania, Indiana, and North Carolina which are very possible- the race will get very tight. And Florida and Michigan will have to be settled in some way- either a re vote or a seating of the delegates.
Bottom line- if we were to choose between Obama and Hillary based on their resumes and regardless of race or gender–Hillary clearly is the best choice.
Erin,
Its good old fashion sexism at its finest!!!! There is nothing wrong with Senator Clinton!!!!!She is my senator here in N.Y. and she is great. America is still very sexist I am sad to say, but Clinton is a fighter even when to good old boys line up against her.
Kendall, when you start throwing labels around like someone is being sexiest and just automatically assume that because a guy doesn’t support HRC then he is one. Not one thing Ralph B wrote regarding Hilliary would lead an objective person to think that he is. Now he may or may not be one, but from what I take from your post it makes a guy like me get a feeling that most of your passion and support for HRC comes from that she is a woman. Trust me I would have no problem having a woman as President which I truly hope to see in my lifetime because of the simple fact that there are just as many woman that has what it takes to be President sorely on their merits and not only because she is a woman.
Please understand when you do that you are doing HRC a great disservice because she has the intelligence and qualifications to be President regardless of her gender. So when you shout the obvious out, you then turn men off from Hilliary for the opposite reason you are for her and that makes you no better. So when a guy on here has valid concerns, debate him on the same ground you want him to debate you. If we followed the other path with our respectful debate, then if Obama becomes president your criticism would be taken as you being racist and as being what I’m sure you are, a progressive, then that would make you a regressive!
David,
I am not trying to turn men off from Hillary. I was angry at that post because once again it was designed to have Hillery quit. The media has been trying to get her to quit from the beginning and many of us women see that approach as a sexist ploy to keep her from competing. She can still win!!! The math could go either way regardless of what MSNBC and CNN who are clearly bias are saying. I have done the math and she can win!!!!!
Your assumptions that the passion for Hillary comes from the fact that she is a woman is false and carries with it sexist overtones similar to those remarks that Ferarro made about Obama.
The passion for hillary is about her policies, her experience, her dedication, her service and her commitment. Not her gender. I would never vote for Kate Bailey Hutchinson.
But while we are on the topic of gender it is attractive that Hillary has a policy to bridge the wage gap between the genders, as well as other inequities that women expirience due to sexism in our society. Her understanding of the feminization of poverty gives her a much better framework for addressing it than Obama. She offers real universal healthcare that covers everyone. She is much more suited to work with our military to get our troops out of Iraq!!! Furthermore, she has wonderful plans for dealing with the foreclosure crisis as well as global warming and the job market. She is much more specific than Obama and I have heard so many lies from him lately that I cannot trust him.
From NAFTA gate to Pastor Wright, the more he talks the more he lies!!!!!
Just like we have to confront race in this society, we also need to confront sexism in an honest and open dialogue. It is every bit as real.
Furthermore, if you don’t see the sexism in the media coverage of her, you must be dumb, deaf and blind!!!!! It is overwhelming and extemely offensive, but no men are speaking out against it!!! They act like its o.k.!!! Nobody treated John Karry like this and he voted for the Iraq too. I urge you to think about some of what I am saying!!!
Hold Hillary Clinton to the same standards that you would require of any man. Don’t hold her to a higher one. Be fair and I think you will find that she is more qualified to be president than Obama.
Kendall Johnson,
I would be impressed with you condemnation of the sexist mass media, if you yourself, a supposed democrat were not playing the same media card against one of your own.
“From Nafta gate to Pastor Wright”. Naftagate was invented by Canadian Conservatives to help the GOP, you repeat the same rubbish. The Pastor Wright quotes should make any democrat think. Why is it African Americans are angry with America? On the other front, why do the Southern Baptist churches get such a following among the US White community- they hardly teach great messages of hope?
Kerry lost because Democrats remained more interested in fighting each other in 2004 then in fighting for the Presidency. That is why the Swiftboat attacks worked. Against a united Democrat Party they would not have had a chance.
There are today many Americans who think we are at war with Islam. After all Obamas’ name was an issue earlier on in the campaign. America is hated internationally. It will take a good Leader to restore the reputation lost by the NeoCons. The Republican Party, a once great party has no equivalent anywhere else now. The religious nuts and the warmongers have taken complete control. Yet the Democrats tear themselves apart and continue to allow them to be elected. In fact the Democrats to win – become the Republicans. What on Earth was the 3am ad about if it was not a replay of the NeoCON scare tactic. As for McCain passing the CIC test – after 8 years of war monger Bush I want someone who is happy to fail it.
Where is the commitment to abolish the Patriot Act? Come on Dems act as Dems.
The candidates should show who can lead, not run each other down. Continuing this campaign in this way is damaging and it will allow McCain in. If Hillary is such a great Leader, she should defend Obama on Pastor Wright, not sit silently hoping to gain from his demise. It is just as much her duty to attack the reasons behind the playing of those remarks as it is the duty of Obama and any progressive.
UKforDems
The infighting was minimal in ‘04 compared to now, but you are correct, the party could have done a lot more to cover Kerry’s back in ‘04. But that was after he received the nomination not before.
Indeed it was after, but what has happened now? Clinton and Obama both had a good attack against the Republicans in Florida for yet again disenfrachising them. This was not the fault of Obama, it was the fault of the Republicans. However for cheap brownie points Hillary attacks Obama for it. That will carry over.
Just one little example of many. The tricks used by the candidates now will be used by GOP supporters later.
UKforDems
Obama seems unwilling to work to seat the delegates in FL. Of course as long as Hillary is in the race it helps her more than him to seat them according the rightful split, so he’s not helping the situation to cover himself.
Typical politician.
Barack Obama is said to be the smart, charismatic, transcendent candidate who is running a campaign that stands for change. He will be the President who transforms Washington from “politics as usual” to a transparent government. Obama is the brilliant, inspirational speaker who convinces people that words (even if borrowed) matter. His supporters, mesmorized by his message, feel strongly that all of this far outweighs his lack of experience. Polls show that most of these supporters agree that the country prospered during the Clinton years and that overall Hillary would be much better for foreign affairs and our current economic situation. Most of them concur that both Hillary and Barack have similar views on the issues and even though they give her the edge on the solutions, they feel she is the typical Washington politician who will bring more of the same. Hillary will be politics as usual where Barack could bring honesty and integrity. Her campaign plays the race card while he transcends race. She is not dynamic enough and he is a rock star.
Eight years ago, watching the debates between Al Gore and George W. Bush, it was so clear to me who the right candidate was. It was the man who was an instrumental part of an administration that cleared the deficit, strengthened our economy, created millions of jobs, and developed great relationships with leaders throughout the world; a man with an urgency and a vision and plan to preserve our land; a man with integrity and a command of the English language. No one could possibly vote for George Bush, I thought. He was so smug. What barely qualified as an answer to debate questions was always given in mumbled incoherent sentences. With an obnoxious smirk, he acted like and over-aged frat boy who was going for the most important job in the world on a dare. And yet, Americans put this cowboy into office. (Well okay, he stole it, but that’s another story.) What I found shocking was that when I asked otherwise sane, smart people why they voted for him, they said they couldn’t vote for Gore because he wasn’t charismatic enough; or they were so angry and fed up about Bill Clinton’s ridiculous episode, that they couldn’t support someone from his administration; or they thought that George just seemed like such a good guy…someone they could hang with and have a beer.
Are we kidding!!! People…We are voting for Commander in Chief, not Prom King! Now, please understand that in NO WAY am I comparing Barack Obama to George W. Bush. What I am comparing however, is the misguided logic Americans are using to determine our leaders. Barack is a phenomenal speaker. No question. He seems like a really nice guy with a fine family. But does this qualify him to be president? I don’t think so. Not yet anyway. I too was moved by his speech at the 2004 convention. It was brilliant! But experience and readiness are important! I’ve heard it said that he is so smart he will offset his lack of experience by putting together a great team, once in office. Do we really have time for this? After the mess that Bush and his merry band of criminals have left, do we really have time for the incoming President to get on-the-job training? And what about the rest of the foundation his campaign is built on. “Words matter.” Really? What about Reverend Wright? Didn’t his words matter? They didn’t matter enough for the Senator to say something to the Reverend or to leave his church. Could it be because he joined that church, with it’s congregation of over 8000 people, to help his political career, so he couldn’t walk out? Did he not want to tarnish is reputation of transcending race and hoped it would go away? The fact is that Senator Obama never addressed the issue of the Pastor until it started to affect his poll numbers. Only then did he decide it needed addressing. But instead of dealing with the Reverend’s statements head on, he giftedly crafted a moving, eloquent speech about racism in this country. Political genius! While I think his speech was indeed brilliant and has been ranked as one of the most important speeches in the last 35 years, the timing makes me truly question its sincerity. As a friend of mine (who is a Barack supporter) said, “He did everything but sing God Bless America”. And what about describing his grandmother as “a typical white person”…Is that not a racist comment? Now, understand, I do not think Barack Obama is a racist. But I do think he plays the race-card beautifully. He completely works it to his advantage. Just like a typical politician…Imagine that. Then there is his ever-changing relationship and dealings with Resco, which is certainly looking like anything but transparent. And finally, after all of his posturing on the war in Iraq and the lack of adequate consideration given to Afghanistan, he chose to focus his attention on his own political aspirations instead of holding a single hearing on the Senate subcommittee he chairs, which can do oversight to see how the United States can have a stronger presence with NATO in Afghanistan.
Therefore, let’s see…Barack Obama has spent about half of his life in politics; he is not as transparent as he’d like us to believe; he has used the race-card to his advantage; he weaves words together (albeit brilliantly) to say what he may or may not mean, but what his constituency wants to hear; he may or may not follow thru with certain responsibilities, if it gets in the way of his political agenda. Sounds like typical, Washington politics to me. And yes, he is smart and charismatic…But a politician, none the less. Subsequently, if you’re going to support him and accept his lack of readiness in exchange for the “change you can believe in”, believe this…If Barack Obama wins the nomination, it will be because he fiercely played the political game. So, in closing, I will borrow words from all three candidates, (or plagiarize, depending on which campaign you support). My Dear Friends, you’ve been hoodwinked and bamboozled…from day one.
David,
regarding your thoughts to Kendall…. I believe the obvious tip-off in Ralph B’s comments were…
“In the interest of the nation Hill should bow out. THERE HAVE BEEN ENOUGH UTENSILS THROWN FROM THE KITCHEN.”
Perhaps this was an equivalent to “iron our shirts” ya’think?
Pamela, I think you missed the point; the DNC and all candidates agreed not to seat Florida and Michigan. Hillary is using this for her advantage not Party advantage. The Republicans are at fault not the Democrats and in November, should Hillary choose not to overplay this the electors can have their revenge on the Republicans. The Hillary campaign however is deliberately attempting to shift the blame to Obama and and the DNC and she should be ashamed of herself.
As for amnj – I think the point is missed.
David,
It is not in the inrerest of the nation for Hillary to drop out!!! That is false!! Bill Clinton never clinched the nomination until June. Obama needs to be vetted now!!!! To wait for the republicans to do it will be a big mistake!!!! I fear that he cannot stand up to McCain and have no illusions that, when and if Hillary is out of the picture, the media will stop fawning on him and will let the republicans go after him. He is the weaker of the two democratic candidates and if he can’t stand up to Hillary Clinton, the republican’s will eat him alive. So again, the math is not final. The race is close enough that she could easily pull ahead and she should continue to compete.
You know, you should take pause at the fact that General Electric, one of the largest benefactors of the Iraq wa and nuclear powerr, has its NBC and MSNBC news outlets going to great lengths to sell us Obama. They already know that he is the weaker candidate, that’s why they have a media campaign against Clinton. You and your freind, sexist or not, will not break our confidence in Hillary Clinton!!!!!!!! Go Hillary!!!!! A matter of fact, you have inspired me to send her another hundred dollars.
UK for DEMS,
Maybe you missed it, but no they did not agree for the delegates not to be seated. They only agreed not to campaign there!!!!!!!! Get your facts strait. It was the DNC who decided not to seat the delegates!!!!!!!!
Jemma,
I ‘m a latte liberal with a law degree and i’m for Clinton!!!!!Obama is another capitalistic democrat that doesn’t give a rats ass about the poor, or universal heathcare, or jobs for working class people in Ohio, or pay equity for women!!! All Obama cares about is devisive racial politics premised on making white people feel guilty, furthering nuclear power interests, rather than going green, and patting his pockets with dirty campaign money. He doesn’t give a rats ass about core democratic values. Hillary stands for all of us, not just the blacks and rich liberals!!!!!
In September and in January and February, Clinton agreed to the 100% loss of seats for Florida and Michigan. Her reason for not doing so now is personal advantage – not party advantage. Attack the State Republicans for breaking the agreed positions of both parties.
UKfor Dems,
Why don’t you mind your business!!!!! Don’t you have your own country to worry about? Obama got caught and it’s as simple as that. The NAFTA gate is real no matter how you spin it.
I’m not playing the gender card and neither has Clinton. I’m pointing out the obvious. It has been Obama who has been race bating and been a sexist player in this along with the media from the very start!!!!! And, now women have stopped voting for him.. We see it!!!! And we won’t vote for him in November either!!!! We will wait it out for Hillary again in 2012 first.
Karry lost because he was weak, not because the contest continued. Karry didn’t defend himself and the media was against him. He was a whinny loser from get go and the public saw it!!!!!
Yes, there is racism in America, but there is also sexism, which is just as bad. Black men in this society earn more money than all women of every color. They have different obsticles, but women’s oppression is every bit as bad. Women are raped, disproportionately murdered, beaten, paid less, have less legal protection under the law when it comes to employment, education, reproductive rights and healthcare, sports, women are much poorer, women are sold into prostitution, and I could go on. This is not a contest!!!!! So don’t ask me to vote for Obama because he is half black.
The point is that Hillary Clinton is not hurting anyone by staying in the race!!!!!! By staying in she is helping in the process of vetting the best candidate to compete in the fall.
Pastor Wright has sunk Obama’s general election chances, so Obama should be the one to count the votes and step aside so Hillary can take the general election.. I know so many of you Obama trolls feel really threatened by the upcoming contests where she is poised to pound Obama, but too bad.!!!!! She’s in it to win it and no threatened opponents of either gender will force her out. Hillary is a fighter and that’s partially why she is the better candidate!!!!!!!
Absolutely, I’m sticking with Hillary! The momentum is going her way and I can see people waking up every day. She is the superior candidate and we so desperately need her to lead our country. I campaigned for Hillary here in Texas. All of my friends thought she was done. I begged them not to listen to the media and to continue to get the word out to support Hillary. We need to continue to keep the focus. Work hard for her! I am! Donate to her campaign… she needs us. We have to be a part of making this happen. Go Hillary.
First to hummingbirdv – that kitchen reference came from Clinton’s own camp by coining their new strategy “the kitchen sink strategy ” after Obama had all the momentum. Basically up to that point they had stayed for the most part away from all the negative attacks. So when they started to fall further behind they decided they had to go negative and really negative. So the new strategy was to throw the kitchen sink at Obama and see what sticks. That is where that reference came from so I think you’re looking into what every guy has to say way too much for a sexist tone.
Look there is no doubt there has been and still are many very capable women held back by those sexist attitudes that you and Jemma so rightfully despise and have just cause to resist and push back if confronted with those regressive views of women. I for one as a 42 yr. white male would be right there with you pushing back just as hard and I know just as many good men whom would do the same while walking beside and not in front of any women in their life. Speaking for myself a strong independent woman whom carries the confidence that she is just as capable as a man and demands to be on a equal level is sure part of an attraction for me!
I’m not naive and fully know not all men share my views and yes women still have a way to go to rid sexism from holding them back in so many aspects of life.
But my point is please don’t let yourself generalized men too much on that subject because then you are just as guilty by exhibiting the same behaviour. Kinda like a person who can’t stand when someone pushes their religion onto them because they don’t want someone to tell them what to believe, then turns around and just as vigrously attempts to convince others to not believe in a religion.
To Jemma. – First thanks for the intelligent rebuttal of my post, you make your points well and I admire your passion. Yes I agree that Hillary would make great strides for women and just like so much of what thsi country needs that she could bring, just as much we need what Obama can also bring. I really do understand your point that the male dominated media is trying to have HRC step aside and I can’t say that isn’t happening. All I can do is speak for myself and give you an objective opinion of how I view this race. We as progressives have taken a great strengh by having many quaflied candidates in this race and have turned it into our weakness because we are making this race way too much about HRC and Obama instead of the change they want to bring with their policies. Please let’s not just focus on the person and loss sight of the issues both are advocating for. I just honestly believe this strategy HRC is using is a divide and fall strategy for her, Obama and progressives on both sides in this race. I would be the first one to say Obama should step aside if the math was turned around against him and if he started to attack HRC in a negative manner to where it was going to seriously hurt her in the general. I wouldn’t want to get to the point it started to hurt what changes this country so desperately needs with either of them.
Now just because I wish Hillary would consider stepping aside now doesn’t mean I don’t respect her and her supporters desire to go forward with her campaign especially if they truly believe they can still win, that is what the process is for!…..but only if she wasn’t attacking if Obama is fit to be President. That is a very dangerous strategy for all Americans whom support a progressive agenda and hope you can see why it can be taken as HRC being selfish and why so many are urging her to step aside. I’m sure many say and think she should because she is a woman, but I believe the vast majority are saying that for sincere concern for our nation. I for one will put my country before my political party any day and over any loyalty tfor a candidate – my loyalty is to make this a better America for our children!
So please debate the issues all day long, but don’t tear down the other to the point that you make them unelectable. Don’t fool yourself if you say you couldn’t support Obama because if we keep this nonsense up the only winners of all this will be the Bush Republicans and the neon-nuts with their agenda so that don’t think for a second isn’t after the American way of life millions around this world look up to. Our children and the rest of the world is depending on us to do the right thing………..do you have it in you?? – If you really support Hilliary for the changes she wants to bring to America, then I think you do! I urge and plead with all here that after the people decide, then please get behind the winner even if she/he wasn’t your first choice………don’t let Rove laugh us out of the White House again. If you are going to let your pride get the best of you then use it in not giving the Republicanst the last laugh because trust me they will laugh us right into a depression and a quality of life that isn’t fit for American….I’m better than that and I know you are too!
to David Morley :
…would lose this state in a re-vote in my intelligent opinion.
you said a lot of things but let me get this straight. your opinion is not intelligent. it’s just an opinion. and my opinion to your opinion is… i don’t agree!
to Jemma:
i suspect that you are more than one person writing in this blog. you do have a very good command of the english language but you don’t have to denigrate the sometimes atrocious grammar/diction/spelling in this blog. there are some of us here who do enjoy these things (twisted humor , you may call it if you like) without missing the sentiment the blogger is trying to convey. by the way, your subtle doublespeak reminds me of a creature of reptilian origin, something not very nice, really.
Kendall,
I do have my own Country to worry about and your National economic and political failures are causing damage here. So it is my business and I can also see that you have a very non progressive streak about yourself.
Excuse me, That last part of my last post was meant for a rebuttal for Kendall, not Jema.
Just a reminder to everyone commenting here — Please keep the conversation civil and don’t resort to name calling and bashing.
Thank you!
Elizabeth – OK then, unless I’m willing to let you in on the jest of why I consider it to be intelligent, I will concede it to be only an objective opinion. Unless I’m willing to show you some facts and willing to take the time to bore you with the breakdown on the electorate of my great State that takes me to that conclusion, then I should have stated it as an opinion so I apologized for that – I will just keep it as my wild guess hack job…..lol
Nothing is certain in politics, but I feel confident in my abilities to be in the ballpark when it comes to the numbers in a political campaign. I guess for yours and HRC sake I’m wrong which could happen, but the statistical trends in this state say otherwise! I will let you in on one big and two small factors that would favor Obama.
A large percentage of the Democratic vote will come from Wayne County which includes the city of Detroit which will go 85-15 for Obama and Oakland county where most Democrats that live there would be those latte liberals HRC insist she doesn’t need.
The Union vote in this State is large with 1 in 4 Democrats being a union member. Southeastern Michigan is a big Teamster and Democratic area and also where the President of the Teamsters is from. Well the Teamsters along with a long list of other trade unions in this State have endorsed Obama and is actively promoting him at monthly union meetings and so is union workers among themselves. They have assurances from Obama that he would support labor’s three big priorities.
And let’s take my good old Dad as a prime example as the big factor. Well he is a white 69 yr. old union guy from Michigan and life long Democrat that grew up in the south….just the voter the Clinton camp needs to swing their way. He was only having small doubts about Clinton up to last week only because of Hillary & Bill’s support of NAFTA and the way she was attacking a fellow Democrat in the way just like the Republicans attacked therm husband. So after the attacks on Obama regarding his pastor he was really started to swing Clinton’s way. So that is real proof that the attacks on Obama were working until, yes you guess it….when he made his race speech. Well then without me saying a word, he looked at me and said, “that is our next president and I will do whatever I can to see that happens” and then had me go right onto the internet to give $$ to Obama – Which I’m sure did many other inspired Americans……that is what she is up against!
Now all that is just a face of why this State could break big for Obama and I don’t want to bore you with my professional opinion……lol
But please know this, if Hillary is our nominee she can count on all those voters to line up and support her with $$$ and resources……….now wouldn’t that be unselfish of them!
David,
“After the attacks on Obama about his Pastor”??? Do you believe that questions and criticisms were out of order?
It is one thing to seperate the man from the behavior, however do you believe that any of the following things are true…
1. Our associates and friends say a lot about who we are.
2. Our “friends” impact our own values and behavior.
3. When someone we care about has a pattern of expressing
hate that is contrary to our deepest held truths, there is
personal integrity in speaking up against that hate, rather
than sitting silently for 20 years.
4. BO’s Grandmother expressing personal fears and prejudices
in front of her Grandson is substantially different than a man
passing on his hate and prejudices to thousands of people.
5. That Mr. Wright, when he mentioned Mrs. Clinton had never
been called a Ni_ _ _ _, obviously trivializes the words she
(and all women) have been called at one time or another…
Cun _, Bit_ _, Who_ _,
You obviously are a real lover of math. So am I. One thing about numbers, though. They can come out differently depending on who is doing the calculating, what are the variables, and what are the biases.
There is just so much more going on here than the math, because the numbers are really reflecting people and their feelings and thnking. The numbers this moment can change the next instant. THE ONE CONSTANT IS POSSIBILITY…. and that cannot be totally predicted, no matter how brilliant you are.
I appreciate your thoughfulness and detailed responses. I must say though…. This is not over yet by a long shot, no matter how you tweek the math.
It’’s Hillary’s turn. It’s HIllary’s time. Barack’s time will come…. later. The Republicans would eat him alive.
I’m Sticking with Hillary.
Oh Kendall – I’m glad I can of service to the Clinton campaign in motivating supporters like yourself to contribute more $$$
Just for the return favor, all I ask is that you save some of that passion money for whomever wins this race even if that means giving your buddy Obama $$$ – I do thank you in advance…..lol
For the record If I knew she could put an end to all this madness without hurting our chances in the general just so we could move forward as progressive Democrats, I wouldn’t hesitate in giving her all I could just like I did at the start of this longest election in history!
To hummingbirdv – No question that we all see things differently and put our own bias spin on things, especially when that passion heats up!….we are human after all.
I understand all the concerns you have about Obama and his chances in a general. The only thing ( in my opinion Elizabeth ) that will beat either HRC or Obama is us Democrats. This country is so ready for a change and McCain ( again, only in my opinion Elizabeth ) is a gift to us. One thing people…..this man is a huge advocate of this ****** war and clueless on the economy! I think Elvis could come back from the grave as a Democrat and beat him to his rocker and then I’ll even pay to get him a play station 3 with all the war games he wants to drift away in his Golden years.
Hey we had this race before with Bill Clinton and Dole. Dole was a war hero, respected and most considered that he had decent character. Well even though most people thought he was an honorable man, they knew he nor that admiration Americans had for him would feed their children, send them to college or pay their mortgage.
The saying goes is that Republicans don’t win elections, Democrats just lose them. They know how to get you to vote against a candidate instead of for a candidate. They get you to vote for your fears over your needs since they know Americans side with the Dem’s on the issues so that is all they got. I think they are scared of both Hillary and Barack……..we just can’t be scared of either!
David,
I won’t be giving Obama a penny, and I’ll be voting Nader!!!!!!
Kendall – That is okay, I’ll give him some in your name……hey now, know that I’m just kidding before your passion heats up! By the lack of love in your posts for Obama, Bill Clinton has better odds to become President for a third term than you giving money to him!
David,
You cannot convert me, so save your energy!!!!! I really beleive in Hillary Clinton!!!! And, I have not given up on her. I have problems with Obama!!!! I think he is weak and the republicans will take him dpown more easily than they would Clinton.They play a few more of those Paster Wright tapes with Obama in the audiance a week before the general election and we are done!!!!
All those Reagan democrats will run to McCain. You have to look and the demographics along with the presidential electoral map. I think Hillary is the best we have!!!! Follow the money and then look at their voting records. Think for yourself and don’t swallow what MSNBC and CNN are feeding you!!!
They may seem progressive, but if you follow their money, you will understand that corporate America who own and minopulizes wthe media , stands to lose big bucks if a democrat wins the general election. So think twice about which one they are selling you!!!!!!
David ,
In regards to Bill Clinton, I’m supporting Hillary! But for the record, if she chooces to use him as a world embassador, I am there all the way!!! Bill Clinton is a diamond in the ruff!!! He is LOVED abroad!!! If he can help fix foreign relations, I say go for it!!! We desperately need it!!!!!!!!
Obama? What foreign relations does he have? His Kanyan cousin, who wants to impose sheria law in Kanya!!!!! Give me a break!!! Hillary knows this world and has been to over 80 countries. Furthermore, I have no problem with Hillary using Bill’s talents within her administration!!!!!!He could and would be a huge asset is rebiulding our forign relationships that Bush f*cked up!!!
Why you Obama fans believe that Hillary and Bill Clinton are evil is beyond me. I am guessing that you are too young to remember how good the Clinton years were for america.. I was a young adult and I can tell you that Bill Clinton was the best president for the people in 35 years!!!! I am 45 years old and I remember. Obama is an empty suit!!!!!
Hillary can save America!!!! And we need all the help we can get!!!!!!!
David ,
Just for the record, I don’t give a shit about Monica Lewinsky!!!!!!!!
Hi,we need help in NC for Clinton !! Saddle up and here she comes!! Let’s go you guys and help us with channels14,2,8,12!
Himmingbirdv,
Great post!!!!! Thanks for being out there!!!!!
Sticking with Hillary! Never give up..Stay in there!
They just want her to give up because they are nervous and know she will win in the end.
Love it, Go Hillary!
Awesome Post! Go Hillary!! I have faith in her truth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Many in the UK consider the Republicans to be like the UK Conservative Party and the Democrats more like New Labour. From this, the Democrats are more like the old guard extreme right of our Conservative Party and the Religious Right Republicans would probably be expelled from any of our political parties (including the BNP). At least Hummingbird seems somewhat reasonable, I will ignore the other attackers.
With your Party hats on, not your Clintonista badges, exactly what was wrong with the comments made by the Pastor when taken in context? Why is it not your job as so called progressives to attempt to resolve the issues that haunt you internationally rather than attack his comments –
While you are abroad spending your now near worthless dollars, other Nations, they may shout “America Number 1″, but that is only while they are in the shop.
According to the Obama camp, Super Delegates should vote the way of their constituency…
I guess that means Ted Kennedy, John Kerry and Bill Richardson will be switching their vote to Hillary since she won both Massachusetts and New Mexico.
I changed my affliliation in PA to democrat, JUST TO VOTE AGAINST OBAMA… am I republican?? yes!!!
Do I like either hillary or obama?? no!!!!
Will I do everything I can to keep Obama and his “finally proud of american” wife and his “anti-white”, “anti-sematic”, “anti-america” preacher FARRRR away from the Whitehouse?? HELL YES!!!!!!!!
Someone came by our house from the Obama camp to convince us to change to democrat …WELL I DID and what I didn’t tell them is … I CHANGED MY PARTY AFFILIATION TO VOTE AGAINST OBAMA!!!!!
To Kendall, hummingbirdv, Jemma, UKforDems and all others who have posted on this subject. I for one appreciate all the intelligent thoughts, the passion and lively debate you bring to this discussion. Regardless of who you support we will never move forward without reasonable debate that I hope will in the end lead to a common ground for all and that is change in this country!
Ok Kendall – May I ask how did Monica Lewinsky get tossed into this discussion?? If you think I was attacking Bill Clinton then we’re not on the same page here!
Anyhow let’s get on the same page…….first I have never said Hilliary is evil and I would have no reservations about supporting her if she is the eventual Democratic nominee. Second of all I’m not saying to stop supporting Hillary, I’m just asking to please don’t get so emotionally invested in any one candidate that you may loss sight of the big picture which is bringing progressive change to our nation. The more I read the posts and hear the chatter of the happenings of this campaign, it all makes me very concerned where this war that is going on inside our party may take us and we simply can’t afford to be our own worst enemy this time like we have had in the past! Don’t fool yourself that you could just wait for Hillary in 2012, just how many more Americans will die from now until then if Bush3 wins the White house from the war, hunger, lack of proper medical care, veto’s of the child s-chip program, cuts to cancer & other medical research, veto’s of progressive medical advances, lack of sensible gun control, lack of workplace safety enforcement, the DOT putting profit for big business over highway safety, the FAA not putting safety first??…..shall I go on! The stakes are way too high and can’t imagine looking my son in the eye this coming November and tell him that his future was voted away because we as Democrats couldn’t agree on a candidate.
Kendall I’m having a hard time trying to figure out if you care more about Hillary than the issues that you so intelligently write about. Now I’m not attacking, just trying to understand. I’m a logical person, well at least I think so…….so when you say you won’t vote for Obama if he is the nominee and instead were to vote for Nader, then that makes me think you either love Hilliary or hate Obama more than the issues you care about and that is hard to grasp. You seem like an smart indepenent woman whom cares about womens issues in a progressive way. That bitterness toward Obama won’t stop the Republicans and McCain if they gain control of the White house from swinging the Supreme court drastically to the right that will attack in a vicious way the progress in equal rights women have so passionately fought for. That will set back years of progress with the right to choose on top on that list! I’m not trying to use fear to change your mind, just wanted you to consider very carefully the choice you and regrettably many women may make by sitting out if Hillary loses. The choice may be yours now, but it may cost you choices later in another Republican regime that would be passed onto the daughters of this country! I will say I respect someone standing up on principle, but just as much I value the humility of a person whom can put their own feelings aside for the good of many and I appreciate the integrity of a person that does what they believe in their heart is a noble cause even when it isn’t the easiest way to go.
Even though my dream ticket would have been Gore/Feingold, I accepted what we had and not what I wanted so I started this race as undecided between Hillary and Edwards ( Talk about a strong woman, Elizabeth Edwards is a woman to be admired ) and have contributed money to both. Anyhow regretfully saying as a progressive, yes I don’t like the tactics Clinton’s campaign has used so far, but I fully understand the nasty world of politics and would put that behind me to move forward supporting her if chosen, to lead with the issues we are all so passionately fighting for. See I’m not as invested in many on here in either candidate because in my opinion this isn’t about any one person…….for me it is the positive change both candidates propose and it is simply critical the the Democrats win the White House. I have noticed too many are letting themselves get way too partisan for inside our party…..that should be reserved for the real threat for change and that is the Republican party.
I understand the many reasons Hillary supporters are so passionate about her candidacy just as well as I realize the serious concerns of others may have about her. Now just because I think the only way Hillary can win the nomination at this point is by dividing our party, by wasting the rare opportunity to bring such an unprecedented high number of young voters into our party and alienating the party’s most loyal constituency, doesn’t mean I don’t respect your and others viewpoint of wanting her to go on. Yes I’m supporting Obama at this point and yes I would like to see this end asap, but even though we may disagree on the dynamics of this race at this point, I have total respect for the passion and opinions for all the Hillary supporters who want her to continue on. Yes I don’t have the right to insist that she doesn’t go on especially if she and her supporters believe she can win on the issues and not with the gutter politics. So I encourage you to do so, but without the utter disdain and by turning a blind eye to the politics of fear which she seems to think is the only path to victory now…..IMHO Hillary has so much more to offer and us as Democrats are far better than that and also have so much more to offer to our country than the Karl Rove way of winning elections. BTW….I defended Bill Clinton from that right wing attack machine for eight years and I would do it again!
Please don’t let either the right or Hillary demonized Obama to the point it would be hurting him nor should the Obama supporters do that to Hillary. I have a hard time understanding the vile that many have on here for Obama. Yes you may not agree with him that he would make a better President than Hillary, but some are making him out to be more of a threat to their way of life than the alternative which isn’t an option as far as I’m concerned. Can’t we all see that the right wing of this country is sitting back and eating all this up. In my opinion even though we all know how much they hate HRC, they really do think they can energized their base in a year that logical would say would stay home if she was our nominee. They have been preparing to run against her for four years and are fully loaded with all the lies and with the swift-boat campaigns that will make you sick for months! Saying we would have a huge hangover would be an understatement. Yeah some on here may think that Obama would be a weaker candidate and you may simply not like or have respect for the man, but doesn’t he deserve the chance to prove he is with you if he becomes our nominee. Know that the right wing is terrified against running against him because they know there is a movement in this country going on with the younger generation and they really don’t know how many will come into the political process and it scares them to death. They aren’t stupid and fully realize what they’re up against with Hillary and how difficult it will be to win against her, but that’s just my point…….they know what they up against with Hillary, but they just hate the unknown about Obama.
The reasons I’m supporting Obama now isn’t that I’m all caught up with the so-called hype, it is by watching the political process play out to the point I accepted the movement going on and that he would be able to bring more Senators and U.S. house members with him on his coattails, then by giving him the better opportunity to actually get things done and passed thru the gridlock of congress that Hillary would have if she is President. Also I don’t want to risk turning off the movement with the under 30 voter which would surely happen if the super delegates swing this to Hillary….they would feel cheated and yeah some many may still vote for Hillary, the ones who would have voted regardless if Obama was in this race, but not the many who is only coming out because of him. Hillary just won’t bring those people with her and they will just go back to what they were doing before Obama….uninterested in the political process while listening to their iPods. See most of us will still vote regardless of who wins, but they simply won’t and would be a huge shame if we missed out. Some may not agree, but we can’t deny the movement among the under 30 voter. The polls may not show how large it is since they all just have cells phones and are under-polled because of it, but I see it everyday on the campus of the University of Michigan. I have never seen such a grass roots effort to the level they are doing just to bring the leader they truly believe is their ” JFK ” He may or not be one by the test of time but we have to understand they don’t vote on issues, they vote when inspired and that is why you see the huge crowds for Obama.
Oh response to your comment that I’m just some young dude who doesn’t have a clue and I don’t realize how good Bill Clinton was for this country. Well let’s just say I met Bill Clinton back in the summer of 1992 during his campaign. I was there with my ex-wife and she was about 7 months pregnant with my now 15 yr son. Well we got to chat with him for a few minutes and he noticed that she was pregnant and asked when she was due…….well being me, I then said “he is due on the day you will be elected President of the United States” and believe it or not he was born on that great day, November 3, 1992. I remember voting in the morning and then when I got home we had to go right to the hospital. That was truly a great day in my life. Oh this may give out my age, I got into a fight defending Jimmy Carter in 5th grade back in 1976. It was over after we had a class election and being that only me and my teacher had voted for him put me on center stage to be different! So I was on my own and held my ground! So if a 5th grader is willing to fight for ( like I knew what I was fighting about….lol ) what we progressives stand for then hopefully we can come together and fight just as hard for the issues we care about by getting behind whoever becomes our nominee!
One last thought……some things just stick with me. When Hillary says that we would be disenfranchising voters if we don’t count the votes in Michigan & Florida, but would be so willing to let the the party insiders decide this and not the people just kills that argument for me. It should be as simple as this…..fight on and whoever has the majority of people behind them at the end of the primaries should be supported by all who truly cares about change with heath care, ending the war, protecting American workers, turning this economy in favor of the middles class, ending tax cuts for the rich, the right to choose, protecting the environment, the attack on public education, banks being loan sharks, our right to privacy, the return of habeas corpus, taking politics out of the dept. of justice, the rule of law, the attack on the constitution, and on and on! Just remember both Obama and Clinton supporters, if you vote for McCain, Nader or just sit it out you then the stark reality like it or not is that you will have a hand in stopping the change you are so passionately fighting for through your chosen candidate!
i just cannot fathom the people here who would vote for Nader instead of Obama should Clinton not get the nod. I assume the war, economy, rebuilding ties with our allies, taxes, declining middle class, and protecting social security are less important than a protest vote because your candidate did not get the nomination.
people please…it’s one thing to strongly support your candidate, but to claim that you will not vote for the parties ultimate nominee should it not be yours is so ridiculous. perhaps you have no place in this party since you would put your own anger at losing ahead of the common issues we democrats are trying to make real changes on.
Go Obama I say. But either way, i hope we can keep our conversation positive to the point that regardless which ends up getting the nomination, we can heal our party and work together to win. Again if this is not within your grap, then perhaps you need to reconsider whether or not you belong as a member of this party. Voting McCain or Nader is not supporting Democratic party ideals.
David,
I’m guessing you are a white male, and don’t take offense to this assumption. What you need to understand is that women are seriously oppressed in this society and through out the world!!! It doesn’t get the same play as racism, but in many ways is more restricting and just, if not more oppressive.
As a woman, I know that we have never gotten anywhere by playing along and letting the so called progressive men worry about our civil rights. That’s largely why we have so few. Women are 54% of the population, while blacks are 13% and all I hear on TV is how the blacks would feel if Hillary won!!!!! All other things being equal, I want Hillary. But more importantly, all things aren’t equal. Obama has no agenda for women other than saying that he is pro chioce!!!! Hillary has a pay equity package, she is for legislating Roe v. Wade in an effort to protect it from the supreme court, she has a deep understanding of the feminazation of poverty and her policies reflect as much, she would include gender based crimes as hate crimes, she supports an egual rights amendment, etc…. I could go on. But the point is that she will address women’s issues. Obama will maintain the status quo without moving our agenda forward. We are the oppressed majority!!!! When do we get a voice?
I am very emotionally invested because this is a historic opportunity for women to finally make gains toward equality, instead of our issues always being put on the back burner by male polititions. And when we finally got the right to vote, it was only because we were willing to drop the gauntlet and refused to support the male agenda, as I am now. Women in those states that could vote, used their franchise to make this point. It was only then that we got a consitutional amendment. I am looking at the big picture. I am looking at the big picture through a woman’s eyes who wants equality for herself, her sisters of all colors, her daughter, her mother and so on. I will not give that dream up and Hillary is the only one offering it!!!! It makes a difference to me that she is a woman, just as it makes a difference to blacks that Obama is black. You may not have any understanding of this, particularly if you are a white male, but it is extremely powerful. You are used to looking at people that look like you running the world. We are not.
In terms of the other issues like Iraq, the economy, immigration, global warming and job creation, I honestly believe that Clinton has a better program. It also bothers me that Obama keeps stealing Clinton’s ideas. For me his whole line about having a white mother was to convince white men to support him, by painting himself as one of the good old boys, wink, wink.
Another issue is that as women watch the misogynistic media abuse of Clinton, we are shocked and angered about how much hate males in power still have for us and our gender. Yes this is very real!!!!! You have to be blind not to see it. We will fight this to the end. The big picture you speak of is the same one that keeps us at the bottom of the totum pole. So don’t tell me to think about your big picture, because your big picture does not include me or what is best for women.
This is not just about Identity politics, it’s about identity policy. Clinton doesn’t appeal to me just because she is a women, but because she shares my belief in gender equality and is willing to make the policy to allow for that to happen. I would never vote for Kay Bailey Hutchenson, or Elizabeth Dole because they are not willing to move towards gender equality.
The stakes always have to be high in order for the oppressed to make head way. I’m not afraid of that and obviously neither is Clinton. So I’m sticking with her and will not be supporting Obama no matter what.. If you all have to suffer with the rest of us who are oppressed than so be it. When men start addressing sexism and are willing to make the appropriate changes, then we will see the same big picture.
Your discussion about Clinton’s campaign tactics again shows a sexist view. So many people hold her to a higher standard because she is a woman. Many don’t even realize it. I imagine you are thinking about the Wright contrivercy when you discuss her tactics. Meantime, Obama’s campaign has been using very sexist tactics and no one says anything. Part of the problem is that sexism is still accepted, particularly by men. Many of these tactics include digging up Bill’s infedelity, as if it was Hillary’s fault. She should have left, etc… I am a 45 years old woman and I too have had marital issues in my relationship of 25 years. I know that sex is only one part of a life long partnership. You work to fix it instead of walking away, especially when there are children and careers involved. That is the right thing to do. I don’t blame Hillary for Bill’s wrong doings.
Another example of Obama’s sexism is how on the one hand he refuses to aknowledge her experience in the white house, but then wants to blame her for the choices her husband made during his administration. He can’t have it both ways and its this kind of double play that women face all the time and he knows it. It is also insulting to watch him arrogantly bask in the light of male privilage at these debates and on television when the media is so clearly thrusting forth a gender bias assault against Clinton. So no I can’t support him!!!!!!
One last thing about civil rights. Women were not allowed to access birth control of any kind until 1966. Married women needed the consent of their husbands. The case that changed this was Griswald v. Conn.. We hear all the time about the voting rights act of 1964 that ended the Jim Crow laws of the south. Most young women don’t even know that their mothers could not even buy condums in the mid 1960’s. The schools aren’t teaching our sexist history, the way they are about raicism. We didn’t even have the right to control our bodies. We, like blacks have been oppressed and cheated out of the american dream.
Today we are raped, murdered, beaten in our homes, denied equal pay, are the poorest in our society, get the least healthcare, do not have equal protection under the law as the 14th amendment gives men of color, and we still have to fight everyday to keep the only right that we have gained in more than 30 years, that being the right to choose.
David, you said that you are supporting Obama because you have watched the race play out and you feel that if the super dalegates would go to Clinton the young people would become disengaged.
Well let me say this, Obama is not very far ahead of Clinton and things could turn around. He just lost a superdelegate who was endicted for some crazy scandal. But, have you considered the unfairness of dienfranchising Fl. who clearly want for Clinton, even though Obama broke the agreement not to campaign there by flooded the air waives with ads.
Did you consider the unfair bias of the media who has been trying to push Clinton out from the beginning by lying about her chances and deliberately trying to drive up the polls against her as they are now by telling people that she has already lost.?
Did you consider that Obama is deliberately fighting any chance of a revote of Fl. or Michigan?
Does it make you wonder about him if he is actively working to disenfranchise voters? Doesn’t that say something about his charecter?
Doesn’t it bother your democratic senseabilies that your candidate wants to disenfranchise two large states with a combined population of over 26 million people? How is this any different than 2000? This is criminal and it is your guy who wants it this way so it will look like he has won the popular vote, even it he hasn’t.
Did you know that these candidates are only 1% apart in the current popular vote, and thats without counting Fl and MI.?
The media has been lying as they did about the Iraq war. Have you fallen for it?
So David, I hope this post enlightens you, so you have a better understanding of this woman’s “big picture”.
Howard Dean – letter to all Candidates
Clinton campaign response
Great post.
I’ve never voted for a Democrat for president before, but I’ve been a Hiillary supporter since — well, since even before she declared. It’s long been clear to me that she is the person we need at the helm as we meet the great challenges we face, both foreign and domestic.
I predict that, in years to come, the country will look back at what might have happened had Obama become president, and shudder. I believe his flaws are only now beginning to come to light.
Be it a Democratic leader or Republican,may the Superior Court judges sort through the confusion for the peopleof MI and FI.!!Who had the guts to get up in America and fight for their voices?Count their votes and voices or re-do it and don’t get lost in the confusion young voices of America! “Get Real”! Count their voices in Fl. and MI. or re-do it! This ia America and it doesn’t matter who’s team your own! What’s fair in the confusion of politics and leadership for the people of America?The only one we saw fighting for the people of FL. and MI.and for their voices to be heard was Clinton! Disinfranchishment is a felony! Be it a donkey or elephant in leadership,what’s “FAIR”? It’s not the people’s fault!
Once again you UKfordems,
The right to vote belongs to the people, not the DNC or the candidates. So disapear and worry about your own country. You have no say here. If you think our country influances yours, to bad!!!! You are not a US citizen as much as you would like to be. So for the last time, you don’t count!!!!!!!!!
By the way, did you know that Obama takes campaign money from Exxon Moble and Shell.? There’s a recent article about it in Newsweek. Also he is sending out flyers telling people that they can trust him on energy policy because he does not take oil money, a blatent lie!!!!! No wonder he go together with his cousin Dick Chaney and signed off on that big energy bill of 2005 that allows nuclear power plants to get away with not reporting plant leaks and breaches. Obama is a fake and he has no intentions of leaving Iraq. The oil and nuclear power industry own him.
Maybe this effects your economy and global warming. Think about it!!!!!! Clinton voted for the war because Bush lied to congess and told them that we were in real danger. Obama, he’s just on the take!!!!!!
“House is Rocking”,don’t bother knocking,just come on in!” Gotta real good feeling in America, that our Superior Court will get it straighted out! Gee,wonder who stepped up to bat on that?Swing,batter,batter,batter,swing!! Excuse me,that’d be Clinton up to bat in all the confusion on FL. and MI. Count the votes or Re-do it !! We are not getting lost in the political fuss in America and see something wrong!! Who are the leaders in question for the confusion and send them to the Superior Court Judges!! What happened and get real !
Gibert..God bless your big brain and loyal heart! I’ve tried to understand why peoplw would even think of voting for Obama..I really have! I don’t understand how anyone would not be afraid of his affilliations..Rezko…the arab thief, will bury him if Wright doesnt do it first. The McCain will win and more young men will die for nothing. How in H did Obama get so arrogant? He is in shcok that “She keeps on ticking”??? Why would she not? she has worked PROUDLY for The great USA for 35 years. He was a JR senator for ONE yr when he set out to be president! I guess the world owes him anything he wants. And he thinks SHE”S in HIS way. He’s petrified that his evil connections to rezko and wright will come out more…there IS a trail going on. He wants it all sewed up. Well tough twinkies OBAMA..He has NEVER paid his dues…still wants to skip that step even now…as for STAMINA and her being older..that was HIS frail butt lying on a cot on the beach last week (complete with straw hat) while SHE pounded the pavements and roads to reach every American she could reach. I’m sticking with my girl…she’s ALWAYS been proud to be American…she can and she will win. Maybe she does not have Old aunti Oprah dishing out millions to her newest facination…but she has many, many proud HARD WORKING AMERICANS behind her who will help her $10.00 at a time. The Repulicans would bury Obama…and we will have years more of good young men comming home in body bags…Please dont let this be a matter of race or age or getting on Oprah’s moneywagon…Lets support the Lady who has been working for us for 35 years..most of them for free. Find another of the “100 best lawyers in the USA” to do that for ya…she loves this country and its people with her whole heart. Thanks for listening.
Kendall Johnson,
The Hillary position on Iraq, Nafta and even Florida have changed, not because of some sudden Damascus like realisation, rather, her views changed because she faced a strong challenger in the Primaries. This was supposed to be her annointed prize, and while playing to the Republicans, she acted more Republican than McCain. If Iraq was a mistake, how does that explain her more recent vote on Iran? Where was her opposition to NAFTA when Bill signed it .
I agree – so attack the elected representatives of Florida and Michigan who moved their primaries forward. Do not demand changing of the rules mid campaign.
Concentrate on the issues. Do not tear down the chances of a Democrat being elected for purely the sake of one candidate.
National events always have an effect on International events. If that were not the case, you would still be paying taxes to the UK. (At least you would have had a better government).
UKfor dems,
Hillary was always untrusting of NAFTA, but there you go again blaming her for what Bill Clinton does. And the Iran National Gaurd vote, Obama voted present!!! How convinient. Why didn’t he take an anti-war stand and vote no? Because he is a player who is fooling people.
That 2005 energy bill Obama voted for helps big oil and nuclear power, but puts the breaks on going green!!!! No wonder the corporate media loves this guy!!!!
John Karry and the rest of these sexist males voted for that fucking war too. Now everybody wants to crusify Clinton for it. Another typical male double standard being applied to the only woman. And Obama was still in grade school when it all happened!!!
Who claimed it was a co – presidency?
Despite the negative campaigning, despite the disgraceful attacks on the party, if Hillary manages to pull off the now impossible and wins the nomination I would still support her over McSame. Would you if it was Obama? And remember according to you, you are the one that counts.