I’m not ready to give up. Hillary is not a quitter and I don’t intend to be one either. Everywhere I look it seems like someone is saying why Hillary cannot win. “The math” isn’t there (remember Karl Rove’s “the math”?). There will be riots if she’s the nominee. Al Gore will come in and save the day by nominating Obama at the convention. That Hillary is going to get abucted by aliens from Trafalmadore and have to give up on the race.
I’ll let you all in on a little theory I have: The Obama campaign and their supporters in the liberal blogosphere/MSM are scared–really, really scared–that Obama is going to get trounced in the next month or two and that Hillary will get the nomination. They are going out of their way to imply over and over that Hillary needs to drop out now to save the Party. Heck, they are trying to pretend they are going disenfranchise and/or ignore over 2,000,000 Democratic voters to make it seem less likely she can win.
Excuse me, but I’m not falling for it. There’s no way the Democratic Party survives without counting voters in FL and MI, so unless the DNC wants to be in their last year, I think its silly to think they won’t be counted. We still have PA, where Hillary is running strong. She is making gains in North Carolina. She is dominating West Virginia. She is on the rise nationally and Obama is falling. Yet they are still trying to force Hillary out of this before people’s votes are counted. Everyone needs to have a “cup of tea” or a glass of wine and calm down. Let’s let the voters have their say. I’m not afraid of that.
Hillary is in it to win it and I’m sticking with her. This party is just getting started, baby!
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I am an Australian so will not be able to vote for Hillary, even though I would like to see her as your President. Because the next President of the United States will have a huge impact on my country as well as the rest of the world, and because my voting preferences have always been left of centre, I have a tremendous interest in who will become the next Domocratic nominee. That is why I cannot understand why so many people are against Hilliary and continuously refer to her so-called flaws. Can someone tell me just what wrong-doings she is supposed to be hiding and why people speak so unkindly of her? I am hoping and praying that she becomes the next President of the United States, because the world needs her.
Sticking with who I think would make the best President- Senator Hillary Clinton!
Because Obama is finally being somewhat vetted by the national media, the momentum is shifting and I agree with this blogger–that’s why the Obama campaign wants to wrap it up asap even though, since this is a tight race in which neither can win without super delegates- the rest of the states have not voted. With big wins in Pennsylvania, Indiana, and North Carolina which are very possible- the race will get very tight. And Florida and Michigan will have to be settled in some way- either a re vote or a seating of the delegates.
Bottom line- if we were to choose between Obama and Hillary based on their resumes and regardless of race or gender–Hillary clearly is the best choice.
Erin,
Its good old fashion sexism at its finest!!!! There is nothing wrong with Senator Clinton!!!!!She is my senator here in N.Y. and she is great. America is still very sexist I am sad to say, but Clinton is a fighter even when to good old boys line up against her.
Kendall, when you start throwing labels around like someone is being sexiest and just automatically assume that because a guy doesn’t support HRC then he is one. Not one thing Ralph B wrote regarding Hilliary would lead an objective person to think that he is. Now he may or may not be one, but from what I take from your post it makes a guy like me get a feeling that most of your passion and support for HRC comes from that she is a woman. Trust me I would have no problem having a woman as President which I truly hope to see in my lifetime because of the simple fact that there are just as many woman that has what it takes to be President sorely on their merits and not only because she is a woman.
Please understand when you do that you are doing HRC a great disservice because she has the intelligence and qualifications to be President regardless of her gender. So when you shout the obvious out, you then turn men off from Hilliary for the opposite reason you are for her and that makes you no better. So when a guy on here has valid concerns, debate him on the same ground you want him to debate you. If we followed the other path with our respectful debate, then if Obama becomes president your criticism would be taken as you being racist and as being what I’m sure you are, a progressive, then that would make you a regressive!
David,
I am not trying to turn men off from Hillary. I was angry at that post because once again it was designed to have Hillery quit. The media has been trying to get her to quit from the beginning and many of us women see that approach as a sexist ploy to keep her from competing. She can still win!!! The math could go either way regardless of what MSNBC and CNN who are clearly bias are saying. I have done the math and she can win!!!!!
Your assumptions that the passion for Hillary comes from the fact that she is a woman is false and carries with it sexist overtones similar to those remarks that Ferarro made about Obama.
The passion for hillary is about her policies, her experience, her dedication, her service and her commitment. Not her gender. I would never vote for Kate Bailey Hutchinson.
But while we are on the topic of gender it is attractive that Hillary has a policy to bridge the wage gap between the genders, as well as other inequities that women expirience due to sexism in our society. Her understanding of the feminization of poverty gives her a much better framework for addressing it than Obama. She offers real universal healthcare that covers everyone. She is much more suited to work with our military to get our troops out of Iraq!!! Furthermore, she has wonderful plans for dealing with the foreclosure crisis as well as global warming and the job market. She is much more specific than Obama and I have heard so many lies from him lately that I cannot trust him.
From NAFTA gate to Pastor Wright, the more he talks the more he lies!!!!!
Just like we have to confront race in this society, we also need to confront sexism in an honest and open dialogue. It is every bit as real.
Furthermore, if you don’t see the sexism in the media coverage of her, you must be dumb, deaf and blind!!!!! It is overwhelming and extemely offensive, but no men are speaking out against it!!! They act like its o.k.!!! Nobody treated John Karry like this and he voted for the Iraq too. I urge you to think about some of what I am saying!!!
Hold Hillary Clinton to the same standards that you would require of any man. Don’t hold her to a higher one. Be fair and I think you will find that she is more qualified to be president than Obama.
Kendall Johnson,
I would be impressed with you condemnation of the sexist mass media, if you yourself, a supposed democrat were not playing the same media card against one of your own.
“From Nafta gate to Pastor Wright”. Naftagate was invented by Canadian Conservatives to help the GOP, you repeat the same rubbish. The Pastor Wright quotes should make any democrat think. Why is it African Americans are angry with America? On the other front, why do the Southern Baptist churches get such a following among the US White community- they hardly teach great messages of hope?
Kerry lost because Democrats remained more interested in fighting each other in 2004 then in fighting for the Presidency. That is why the Swiftboat attacks worked. Against a united Democrat Party they would not have had a chance.
There are today many Americans who think we are at war with Islam. After all Obamas’ name was an issue earlier on in the campaign. America is hated internationally. It will take a good Leader to restore the reputation lost by the NeoCons. The Republican Party, a once great party has no equivalent anywhere else now. The religious nuts and the warmongers have taken complete control. Yet the Democrats tear themselves apart and continue to allow them to be elected. In fact the Democrats to win – become the Republicans. What on Earth was the 3am ad about if it was not a replay of the NeoCON scare tactic. As for McCain passing the CIC test – after 8 years of war monger Bush I want someone who is happy to fail it.
Where is the commitment to abolish the Patriot Act? Come on Dems act as Dems.
The candidates should show who can lead, not run each other down. Continuing this campaign in this way is damaging and it will allow McCain in. If Hillary is such a great Leader, she should defend Obama on Pastor Wright, not sit silently hoping to gain from his demise. It is just as much her duty to attack the reasons behind the playing of those remarks as it is the duty of Obama and any progressive.
UKforDems
The infighting was minimal in ’04 compared to now, but you are correct, the party could have done a lot more to cover Kerry’s back in ’04. But that was after he received the nomination not before.
Indeed it was after, but what has happened now? Clinton and Obama both had a good attack against the Republicans in Florida for yet again disenfrachising them. This was not the fault of Obama, it was the fault of the Republicans. However for cheap brownie points Hillary attacks Obama for it. That will carry over.
Just one little example of many. The tricks used by the candidates now will be used by GOP supporters later.
UKforDems
Obama seems unwilling to work to seat the delegates in FL. Of course as long as Hillary is in the race it helps her more than him to seat them according the rightful split, so he’s not helping the situation to cover himself.
Typical politician.
Barack Obama is said to be the smart, charismatic, transcendent candidate who is running a campaign that stands for change. He will be the President who transforms Washington from “politics as usual” to a transparent government. Obama is the brilliant, inspirational speaker who convinces people that words (even if borrowed) matter. His supporters, mesmorized by his message, feel strongly that all of this far outweighs his lack of experience. Polls show that most of these supporters agree that the country prospered during the Clinton years and that overall Hillary would be much better for foreign affairs and our current economic situation. Most of them concur that both Hillary and Barack have similar views on the issues and even though they give her the edge on the solutions, they feel she is the typical Washington politician who will bring more of the same. Hillary will be politics as usual where Barack could bring honesty and integrity. Her campaign plays the race card while he transcends race. She is not dynamic enough and he is a rock star.
Eight years ago, watching the debates between Al Gore and George W. Bush, it was so clear to me who the right candidate was. It was the man who was an instrumental part of an administration that cleared the deficit, strengthened our economy, created millions of jobs, and developed great relationships with leaders throughout the world; a man with an urgency and a vision and plan to preserve our land; a man with integrity and a command of the English language. No one could possibly vote for George Bush, I thought. He was so smug. What barely qualified as an answer to debate questions was always given in mumbled incoherent sentences. With an obnoxious smirk, he acted like and over-aged frat boy who was going for the most important job in the world on a dare. And yet, Americans put this cowboy into office. (Well okay, he stole it, but that’s another story.) What I found shocking was that when I asked otherwise sane, smart people why they voted for him, they said they couldn’t vote for Gore because he wasn’t charismatic enough; or they were so angry and fed up about Bill Clinton’s ridiculous episode, that they couldn’t support someone from his administration; or they thought that George just seemed like such a good guy…someone they could hang with and have a beer.
Are we kidding!!! People…We are voting for Commander in Chief, not Prom King! Now, please understand that in NO WAY am I comparing Barack Obama to George W. Bush. What I am comparing however, is the misguided logic Americans are using to determine our leaders. Barack is a phenomenal speaker. No question. He seems like a really nice guy with a fine family. But does this qualify him to be president? I don’t think so. Not yet anyway. I too was moved by his speech at the 2004 convention. It was brilliant! But experience and readiness are important! I’ve heard it said that he is so smart he will offset his lack of experience by putting together a great team, once in office. Do we really have time for this? After the mess that Bush and his merry band of criminals have left, do we really have time for the incoming President to get on-the-job training? And what about the rest of the foundation his campaign is built on. “Words matter.” Really? What about Reverend Wright? Didn’t his words matter? They didn’t matter enough for the Senator to say something to the Reverend or to leave his church. Could it be because he joined that church, with it’s congregation of over 8000 people, to help his political career, so he couldn’t walk out? Did he not want to tarnish is reputation of transcending race and hoped it would go away? The fact is that Senator Obama never addressed the issue of the Pastor until it started to affect his poll numbers. Only then did he decide it needed addressing. But instead of dealing with the Reverend’s statements head on, he giftedly crafted a moving, eloquent speech about racism in this country. Political genius! While I think his speech was indeed brilliant and has been ranked as one of the most important speeches in the last 35 years, the timing makes me truly question its sincerity. As a friend of mine (who is a Barack supporter) said, “He did everything but sing God Bless America”. And what about describing his grandmother as “a typical white person”…Is that not a racist comment? Now, understand, I do not think Barack Obama is a racist. But I do think he plays the race-card beautifully. He completely works it to his advantage. Just like a typical politician…Imagine that. Then there is his ever-changing relationship and dealings with Resco, which is certainly looking like anything but transparent. And finally, after all of his posturing on the war in Iraq and the lack of adequate consideration given to Afghanistan, he chose to focus his attention on his own political aspirations instead of holding a single hearing on the Senate subcommittee he chairs, which can do oversight to see how the United States can have a stronger presence with NATO in Afghanistan.
Therefore, let’s see…Barack Obama has spent about half of his life in politics; he is not as transparent as he’d like us to believe; he has used the race-card to his advantage; he weaves words together (albeit brilliantly) to say what he may or may not mean, but what his constituency wants to hear; he may or may not follow thru with certain responsibilities, if it gets in the way of his political agenda. Sounds like typical, Washington politics to me. And yes, he is smart and charismatic…But a politician, none the less. Subsequently, if you’re going to support him and accept his lack of readiness in exchange for the “change you can believe in”, believe this…If Barack Obama wins the nomination, it will be because he fiercely played the political game. So, in closing, I will borrow words from all three candidates, (or plagiarize, depending on which campaign you support). My Dear Friends, you’ve been hoodwinked and bamboozled…from day one.
David,
regarding your thoughts to Kendall…. I believe the obvious tip-off in Ralph B’s comments were…
“In the interest of the nation Hill should bow out. THERE HAVE BEEN ENOUGH UTENSILS THROWN FROM THE KITCHEN.”
Perhaps this was an equivalent to “iron our shirts” ya’think?
Pamela, I think you missed the point; the DNC and all candidates agreed not to seat Florida and Michigan. Hillary is using this for her advantage not Party advantage. The Republicans are at fault not the Democrats and in November, should Hillary choose not to overplay this the electors can have their revenge on the Republicans. The Hillary campaign however is deliberately attempting to shift the blame to Obama and and the DNC and she should be ashamed of herself.
As for amnj – I think the point is missed.
David,
It is not in the inrerest of the nation for Hillary to drop out!!! That is false!! Bill Clinton never clinched the nomination until June. Obama needs to be vetted now!!!! To wait for the republicans to do it will be a big mistake!!!! I fear that he cannot stand up to McCain and have no illusions that, when and if Hillary is out of the picture, the media will stop fawning on him and will let the republicans go after him. He is the weaker of the two democratic candidates and if he can’t stand up to Hillary Clinton, the republican’s will eat him alive. So again, the math is not final. The race is close enough that she could easily pull ahead and she should continue to compete.
You know, you should take pause at the fact that General Electric, one of the largest benefactors of the Iraq wa and nuclear powerr, has its NBC and MSNBC news outlets going to great lengths to sell us Obama. They already know that he is the weaker candidate, that’s why they have a media campaign against Clinton. You and your freind, sexist or not, will not break our confidence in Hillary Clinton!!!!!!!! Go Hillary!!!!! A matter of fact, you have inspired me to send her another hundred dollars.
UK for DEMS,
Maybe you missed it, but no they did not agree for the delegates not to be seated. They only agreed not to campaign there!!!!!!!! Get your facts strait. It was the DNC who decided not to seat the delegates!!!!!!!!
Jemma,
I ‘m a latte liberal with a law degree and i’m for Clinton!!!!!Obama is another capitalistic democrat that doesn’t give a rats ass about the poor, or universal heathcare, or jobs for working class people in Ohio, or pay equity for women!!! All Obama cares about is devisive racial politics premised on making white people feel guilty, furthering nuclear power interests, rather than going green, and patting his pockets with dirty campaign money. He doesn’t give a rats ass about core democratic values. Hillary stands for all of us, not just the blacks and rich liberals!!!!!
In September and in January and February, Clinton agreed to the 100% loss of seats for Florida and Michigan. Her reason for not doing so now is personal advantage – not party advantage. Attack the State Republicans for breaking the agreed positions of both parties.
UKfor Dems,
Why don’t you mind your business!!!!! Don’t you have your own country to worry about? Obama got caught and it’s as simple as that. The NAFTA gate is real no matter how you spin it.
I’m not playing the gender card and neither has Clinton. I’m pointing out the obvious. It has been Obama who has been race bating and been a sexist player in this along with the media from the very start!!!!! And, now women have stopped voting for him.. We see it!!!! And we won’t vote for him in November either!!!! We will wait it out for Hillary again in 2012 first.
Karry lost because he was weak, not because the contest continued. Karry didn’t defend himself and the media was against him. He was a whinny loser from get go and the public saw it!!!!!
Yes, there is racism in America, but there is also sexism, which is just as bad. Black men in this society earn more money than all women of every color. They have different obsticles, but women’s oppression is every bit as bad. Women are raped, disproportionately murdered, beaten, paid less, have less legal protection under the law when it comes to employment, education, reproductive rights and healthcare, sports, women are much poorer, women are sold into prostitution, and I could go on. This is not a contest!!!!! So don’t ask me to vote for Obama because he is half black.
The point is that Hillary Clinton is not hurting anyone by staying in the race!!!!!! By staying in she is helping in the process of vetting the best candidate to compete in the fall.
Pastor Wright has sunk Obama’s general election chances, so Obama should be the one to count the votes and step aside so Hillary can take the general election.. I know so many of you Obama trolls feel really threatened by the upcoming contests where she is poised to pound Obama, but too bad.!!!!! She’s in it to win it and no threatened opponents of either gender will force her out. Hillary is a fighter and that’s partially why she is the better candidate!!!!!!!
Absolutely, I’m sticking with Hillary! The momentum is going her way and I can see people waking up every day. She is the superior candidate and we so desperately need her to lead our country. I campaigned for Hillary here in Texas. All of my friends thought she was done. I begged them not to listen to the media and to continue to get the word out to support Hillary. We need to continue to keep the focus. Work hard for her! I am! Donate to her campaign… she needs us. We have to be a part of making this happen. Go Hillary.
First to hummingbirdv – that kitchen reference came from Clinton’s own camp by coining their new strategy “the kitchen sink strategy ” after Obama had all the momentum. Basically up to that point they had stayed for the most part away from all the negative attacks. So when they started to fall further behind they decided they had to go negative and really negative. So the new strategy was to throw the kitchen sink at Obama and see what sticks. That is where that reference came from so I think you’re looking into what every guy has to say way too much for a sexist tone.
Look there is no doubt there has been and still are many very capable women held back by those sexist attitudes that you and Jemma so rightfully despise and have just cause to resist and push back if confronted with those regressive views of women. I for one as a 42 yr. white male would be right there with you pushing back just as hard and I know just as many good men whom would do the same while walking beside and not in front of any women in their life. Speaking for myself a strong independent woman whom carries the confidence that she is just as capable as a man and demands to be on a equal level is sure part of an attraction for me!
I’m not naive and fully know not all men share my views and yes women still have a way to go to rid sexism from holding them back in so many aspects of life.
But my point is please don’t let yourself generalized men too much on that subject because then you are just as guilty by exhibiting the same behaviour. Kinda like a person who can’t stand when someone pushes their religion onto them because they don’t want someone to tell them what to believe, then turns around and just as vigrously attempts to convince others to not believe in a religion.
To Jemma. – First thanks for the intelligent rebuttal of my post, you make your points well and I admire your passion. Yes I agree that Hillary would make great strides for women and just like so much of what thsi country needs that she could bring, just as much we need what Obama can also bring. I really do understand your point that the male dominated media is trying to have HRC step aside and I can’t say that isn’t happening. All I can do is speak for myself and give you an objective opinion of how I view this race. We as progressives have taken a great strengh by having many quaflied candidates in this race and have turned it into our weakness because we are making this race way too much about HRC and Obama instead of the change they want to bring with their policies. Please let’s not just focus on the person and loss sight of the issues both are advocating for. I just honestly believe this strategy HRC is using is a divide and fall strategy for her, Obama and progressives on both sides in this race. I would be the first one to say Obama should step aside if the math was turned around against him and if he started to attack HRC in a negative manner to where it was going to seriously hurt her in the general. I wouldn’t want to get to the point it started to hurt what changes this country so desperately needs with either of them.
Now just because I wish Hillary would consider stepping aside now doesn’t mean I don’t respect her and her supporters desire to go forward with her campaign especially if they truly believe they can still win, that is what the process is for!…..but only if she wasn’t attacking if Obama is fit to be President. That is a very dangerous strategy for all Americans whom support a progressive agenda and hope you can see why it can be taken as HRC being selfish and why so many are urging her to step aside. I’m sure many say and think she should because she is a woman, but I believe the vast majority are saying that for sincere concern for our nation. I for one will put my country before my political party any day and over any loyalty tfor a candidate – my loyalty is to make this a better America for our children!
So please debate the issues all day long, but don’t tear down the other to the point that you make them unelectable. Don’t fool yourself if you say you couldn’t support Obama because if we keep this nonsense up the only winners of all this will be the Bush Republicans and the neon-nuts with their agenda so that don’t think for a second isn’t after the American way of life millions around this world look up to. Our children and the rest of the world is depending on us to do the right thing………..do you have it in you?? – If you really support Hilliary for the changes she wants to bring to America, then I think you do! I urge and plead with all here that after the people decide, then please get behind the winner even if she/he wasn’t your first choice………don’t let Rove laugh us out of the White House again. If you are going to let your pride get the best of you then use it in not giving the Republicanst the last laugh because trust me they will laugh us right into a depression and a quality of life that isn’t fit for American….I’m better than that and I know you are too!
to David Morley :
…would lose this state in a re-vote in my intelligent opinion.
you said a lot of things but let me get this straight. your opinion is not intelligent. it’s just an opinion. and my opinion to your opinion is… i don’t agree!
to Jemma:
i suspect that you are more than one person writing in this blog. you do have a very good command of the english language but you don’t have to denigrate the sometimes atrocious grammar/diction/spelling in this blog. there are some of us here who do enjoy these things (twisted humor , you may call it if you like) without missing the sentiment the blogger is trying to convey. by the way, your subtle doublespeak reminds me of a creature of reptilian origin, something not very nice, really.
Kendall,
I do have my own Country to worry about and your National economic and political failures are causing damage here. So it is my business and I can also see that you have a very non progressive streak about yourself.
Excuse me, That last part of my last post was meant for a rebuttal for Kendall, not Jema.
Just a reminder to everyone commenting here — Please keep the conversation civil and don’t resort to name calling and bashing.
Thank you!
Elizabeth – OK then, unless I’m willing to let you in on the jest of why I consider it to be intelligent, I will concede it to be only an objective opinion. Unless I’m willing to show you some facts and willing to take the time to bore you with the breakdown on the electorate of my great State that takes me to that conclusion, then I should have stated it as an opinion so I apologized for that – I will just keep it as my wild guess hack job…..lol
Nothing is certain in politics, but I feel confident in my abilities to be in the ballpark when it comes to the numbers in a political campaign. I guess for yours and HRC sake I’m wrong which could happen, but the statistical trends in this state say otherwise! I will let you in on one big and two small factors that would favor Obama.
A large percentage of the Democratic vote will come from Wayne County which includes the city of Detroit which will go 85-15 for Obama and Oakland county where most Democrats that live there would be those latte liberals HRC insist she doesn’t need.
The Union vote in this State is large with 1 in 4 Democrats being a union member. Southeastern Michigan is a big Teamster and Democratic area and also where the President of the Teamsters is from. Well the Teamsters along with a long list of other trade unions in this State have endorsed Obama and is actively promoting him at monthly union meetings and so is union workers among themselves. They have assurances from Obama that he would support labor’s three big priorities.
And let’s take my good old Dad as a prime example as the big factor. Well he is a white 69 yr. old union guy from Michigan and life long Democrat that grew up in the south….just the voter the Clinton camp needs to swing their way. He was only having small doubts about Clinton up to last week only because of Hillary & Bill’s support of NAFTA and the way she was attacking a fellow Democrat in the way just like the Republicans attacked therm husband. So after the attacks on Obama regarding his pastor he was really started to swing Clinton’s way. So that is real proof that the attacks on Obama were working until, yes you guess it….when he made his race speech. Well then without me saying a word, he looked at me and said, “that is our next president and I will do whatever I can to see that happens” and then had me go right onto the internet to give $$ to Obama – Which I’m sure did many other inspired Americans……that is what she is up against!
Now all that is just a face of why this State could break big for Obama and I don’t want to bore you with my professional opinion……lol
But please know this, if Hillary is our nominee she can count on all those voters to line up and support her with $$$ and resources……….now wouldn’t that be unselfish of them!
David,
“After the attacks on Obama about his Pastor”??? Do you believe that questions and criticisms were out of order?
It is one thing to seperate the man from the behavior, however do you believe that any of the following things are true…
1. Our associates and friends say a lot about who we are.
2. Our “friends” impact our own values and behavior.
3. When someone we care about has a pattern of expressing
hate that is contrary to our deepest held truths, there is
personal integrity in speaking up against that hate, rather
than sitting silently for 20 years.
4. BO’s Grandmother expressing personal fears and prejudices
in front of her Grandson is substantially different than a man
passing on his hate and prejudices to thousands of people.
5. That Mr. Wright, when he mentioned Mrs. Clinton had never
been called a Ni_ _ _ _, obviously trivializes the words she
(and all women) have been called at one time or another…
Cun _, Bit_ _, Who_ _,
You obviously are a real lover of math. So am I. One thing about numbers, though. They can come out differently depending on who is doing the calculating, what are the variables, and what are the biases.
There is just so much more going on here than the math, because the numbers are really reflecting people and their feelings and thnking. The numbers this moment can change the next instant. THE ONE CONSTANT IS POSSIBILITY…. and that cannot be totally predicted, no matter how brilliant you are.
I appreciate your thoughfulness and detailed responses. I must say though…. This is not over yet by a long shot, no matter how you tweek the math.
It”s Hillary’s turn. It’s HIllary’s time. Barack’s time will come…. later. The Republicans would eat him alive.
I’m Sticking with Hillary.
Oh Kendall – I’m glad I can of service to the Clinton campaign in motivating supporters like yourself to contribute more $$$
Just for the return favor, all I ask is that you save some of that passion money for whomever wins this race even if that means giving your buddy Obama $$$ – I do thank you in advance…..lol
For the record If I knew she could put an end to all this madness without hurting our chances in the general just so we could move forward as progressive Democrats, I wouldn’t hesitate in giving her all I could just like I did at the start of this longest election in history!
To hummingbirdv – No question that we all see things differently and put our own bias spin on things, especially when that passion heats up!….we are human after all.
I understand all the concerns you have about Obama and his chances in a general. The only thing ( in my opinion Elizabeth ) that will beat either HRC or Obama is us Democrats. This country is so ready for a change and McCain ( again, only in my opinion Elizabeth ) is a gift to us. One thing people…..this man is a huge advocate of this ****** war and clueless on the economy! I think Elvis could come back from the grave as a Democrat and beat him to his rocker and then I’ll even pay to get him a play station 3 with all the war games he wants to drift away in his Golden years.
Hey we had this race before with Bill Clinton and Dole. Dole was a war hero, respected and most considered that he had decent character. Well even though most people thought he was an honorable man, they knew he nor that admiration Americans had for him would feed their children, send them to college or pay their mortgage.
The saying goes is that Republicans don’t win elections, Democrats just lose them. They know how to get you to vote against a candidate instead of for a candidate. They get you to vote for your fears over your needs since they know Americans side with the Dem’s on the issues so that is all they got. I think they are scared of both Hillary and Barack……..we just can’t be scared of either!
David,
I won’t be giving Obama a penny, and I’ll be voting Nader!!!!!!
Kendall – That is okay, I’ll give him some in your name……hey now, know that I’m just kidding before your passion heats up! By the lack of love in your posts for Obama, Bill Clinton has better odds to become President for a third term than you giving money to him!
David,
You cannot convert me, so save your energy!!!!! I really beleive in Hillary Clinton!!!! And, I have not given up on her. I have problems with Obama!!!! I think he is weak and the republicans will take him dpown more easily than they would Clinton.They play a few more of those Paster Wright tapes with Obama in the audiance a week before the general election and we are done!!!!
All those Reagan democrats will run to McCain. You have to look and the demographics along with the presidential electoral map. I think Hillary is the best we have!!!! Follow the money and then look at their voting records. Think for yourself and don’t swallow what MSNBC and CNN are feeding you!!!
They may seem progressive, but if you follow their money, you will understand that corporate America who own and minopulizes wthe media , stands to lose big bucks if a democrat wins the general election. So think twice about which one they are selling you!!!!!!
David ,
In regards to Bill Clinton, I’m supporting Hillary! But for the record, if she chooces to use him as a world embassador, I am there all the way!!! Bill Clinton is a diamond in the ruff!!! He is LOVED abroad!!! If he can help fix foreign relations, I say go for it!!! We desperately need it!!!!!!!!
Obama? What foreign relations does he have? His Kanyan cousin, who wants to impose sheria law in Kanya!!!!! Give me a break!!! Hillary knows this world and has been to over 80 countries. Furthermore, I have no problem with Hillary using Bill’s talents within her administration!!!!!!He could and would be a huge asset is rebiulding our forign relationships that Bush f*cked up!!!
Why you Obama fans believe that Hillary and Bill Clinton are evil is beyond me. I am guessing that you are too young to remember how good the Clinton years were for america.. I was a young adult and I can tell you that Bill Clinton was the best president for the people in 35 years!!!! I am 45 years old and I remember. Obama is an empty suit!!!!!
Hillary can save America!!!! And we need all the help we can get!!!!!!!
David ,
Just for the record, I don’t give a shit about Monica Lewinsky!!!!!!!!
Hi,we need help in NC for Clinton !! Saddle up and here she comes!! Let’s go you guys and help us with channels14,2,8,12!
Himmingbirdv,
Great post!!!!! Thanks for being out there!!!!!
Sticking with Hillary! Never give up..Stay in there!
They just want her to give up because they are nervous and know she will win in the end.
Love it, Go Hillary!
Awesome Post! Go Hillary!! I have faith in her truth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Many in the UK consider the Republicans to be like the UK Conservative Party and the Democrats more like New Labour. From this, the Democrats are more like the old guard extreme right of our Conservative Party and the Religious Right Republicans would probably be expelled from any of our political parties (including the BNP). At least Hummingbird seems somewhat reasonable, I will ignore the other attackers.
With your Party hats on, not your Clintonista badges, exactly what was wrong with the comments made by the Pastor when taken in context? Why is it not your job as so called progressives to attempt to resolve the issues that haunt you internationally rather than attack his comments –
While you are abroad spending your now near worthless dollars, other Nations, they may shout “America Number 1″, but that is only while they are in the shop.
According to the Obama camp, Super Delegates should vote the way of their constituency…
I guess that means Ted Kennedy, John Kerry and Bill Richardson will be switching their vote to Hillary since she won both Massachusetts and New Mexico.
I changed my affliliation in PA to democrat, JUST TO VOTE AGAINST OBAMA… am I republican?? yes!!!
Do I like either hillary or obama?? no!!!!
Will I do everything I can to keep Obama and his “finally proud of american” wife and his “anti-white”, “anti-sematic”, “anti-america” preacher FARRRR away from the Whitehouse?? HELL YES!!!!!!!!
Someone came by our house from the Obama camp to convince us to change to democrat …WELL I DID and what I didn’t tell them is … I CHANGED MY PARTY AFFILIATION TO VOTE AGAINST OBAMA!!!!!
To Kendall, hummingbirdv, Jemma, UKforDems and all others who have posted on this subject. I for one appreciate all the intelligent thoughts, the passion and lively debate you bring to this discussion. Regardless of who you support we will never move forward without reasonable debate that I hope will in the end lead to a common ground for all and that is change in this country!
Ok Kendall – May I ask how did Monica Lewinsky get tossed into this discussion?? If you think I was attacking Bill Clinton then we’re not on the same page here!
Anyhow let’s get on the same page…….first I have never said Hilliary is evil and I would have no reservations about supporting her if she is the eventual Democratic nominee. Second of all I’m not saying to stop supporting Hillary, I’m just asking to please don’t get so emotionally invested in any one candidate that you may loss sight of the big picture which is bringing progressive change to our nation. The more I read the posts and hear the chatter of the happenings of this campaign, it all makes me very concerned where this war that is going on inside our party may take us and we simply can’t afford to be our own worst enemy this time like we have had in the past! Don’t fool yourself that you could just wait for Hillary in 2012, just how many more Americans will die from now until then if Bush3 wins the White house from the war, hunger, lack of proper medical care, veto’s of the child s-chip program, cuts to cancer & other medical research, veto’s of progressive medical advances, lack of sensible gun control, lack of workplace safety enforcement, the DOT putting profit for big business over highway safety, the FAA not putting safety first??…..shall I go on! The stakes are way too high and can’t imagine looking my son in the eye this coming November and tell him that his future was voted away because we as Democrats couldn’t agree on a candidate.
Kendall I’m having a hard time trying to figure out if you care more about Hillary than the issues that you so intelligently write about. Now I’m not attacking, just trying to understand. I’m a logical person, well at least I think so…….so when you say you won’t vote for Obama if he is the nominee and instead were to vote for Nader, then that makes me think you either love Hilliary or hate Obama more than the issues you care about and that is hard to grasp. You seem like an smart indepenent woman whom cares about womens issues in a progressive way. That bitterness toward Obama won’t stop the Republicans and McCain if they gain control of the White house from swinging the Supreme court drastically to the right that will attack in a vicious way the progress in equal rights women have so passionately fought for. That will set back years of progress with the right to choose on top on that list! I’m not trying to use fear to change your mind, just wanted you to consider very carefully the choice you and regrettably many women may make by sitting out if Hillary loses. The choice may be yours now, but it may cost you choices later in another Republican regime that would be passed onto the daughters of this country! I will say I respect someone standing up on principle, but just as much I value the humility of a person whom can put their own feelings aside for the good of many and I appreciate the integrity of a person that does what they believe in their heart is a noble cause even when it isn’t the easiest way to go.
Even though my dream ticket would have been Gore/Feingold, I accepted what we had and not what I wanted so I started this race as undecided between Hillary and Edwards ( Talk about a strong woman, Elizabeth Edwards is a woman to be admired ) and have contributed money to both. Anyhow regretfully saying as a progressive, yes I don’t like the tactics Clinton’s campaign has used so far, but I fully understand the nasty world of politics and would put that behind me to move forward supporting her if chosen, to lead with the issues we are all so passionately fighting for. See I’m not as invested in many on here in either candidate because in my opinion this isn’t about any one person…….for me it is the positive change both candidates propose and it is simply critical the the Democrats win the White House. I have noticed too many are letting themselves get way too partisan for inside our party…..that should be reserved for the real threat for change and that is the Republican party.
I understand the many reasons Hillary supporters are so passionate about her candidacy just as well as I realize the serious concerns of others may have about her. Now just because I think the only way Hillary can win the nomination at this point is by dividing our party, by wasting the rare opportunity to bring such an unprecedented high number of young voters into our party and alienating the party’s most loyal constituency, doesn’t mean I don’t respect your and others viewpoint of wanting her to go on. Yes I’m supporting Obama at this point and yes I would like to see this end asap, but even though we may disagree on the dynamics of this race at this point, I have total respect for the passion and opinions for all the Hillary supporters who want her to continue on. Yes I don’t have the right to insist that she doesn’t go on especially if she and her supporters believe she can win on the issues and not with the gutter politics. So I encourage you to do so, but without the utter disdain and by turning a blind eye to the politics of fear which she seems to think is the only path to victory now…..IMHO Hillary has so much more to offer and us as Democrats are far better than that and also have so much more to offer to our country than the Karl Rove way of winning elections. BTW….I defended Bill Clinton from that right wing attack machine for eight years and I would do it again!
Please don’t let either the right or Hillary demonized Obama to the point it would be hurting him nor should the Obama supporters do that to Hillary. I have a hard time understanding the vile that many have on here for Obama. Yes you may not agree with him that he would make a better President than Hillary, but some are making him out to be more of a threat to their way of life than the alternative which isn’t an option as far as I’m concerned. Can’t we all see that the right wing of this country is sitting back and eating all this up. In my opinion even though we all know how much they hate HRC, they really do think they can energized their base in a year that logical would say would stay home if she was our nominee. They have been preparing to run against her for four years and are fully loaded with all the lies and with the swift-boat campaigns that will make you sick for months! Saying we would have a huge hangover would be an understatement. Yeah some on here may think that Obama would be a weaker candidate and you may simply not like or have respect for the man, but doesn’t he deserve the chance to prove he is with you if he becomes our nominee. Know that the right wing is terrified against running against him because they know there is a movement in this country going on with the younger generation and they really don’t know how many will come into the political process and it scares them to death. They aren’t stupid and fully realize what they’re up against with Hillary and how difficult it will be to win against her, but that’s just my point…….they know what they up against with Hillary, but they just hate the unknown about Obama.
The reasons I’m supporting Obama now isn’t that I’m all caught up with the so-called hype, it is by watching the political process play out to the point I accepted the movement going on and that he would be able to bring more Senators and U.S. house members with him on his coattails, then by giving him the better opportunity to actually get things done and passed thru the gridlock of congress that Hillary would have if she is President. Also I don’t want to risk turning off the movement with the under 30 voter which would surely happen if the super delegates swing this to Hillary….they would feel cheated and yeah some many may still vote for Hillary, the ones who would have voted regardless if Obama was in this race, but not the many who is only coming out because of him. Hillary just won’t bring those people with her and they will just go back to what they were doing before Obama….uninterested in the political process while listening to their iPods. See most of us will still vote regardless of who wins, but they simply won’t and would be a huge shame if we missed out. Some may not agree, but we can’t deny the movement among the under 30 voter. The polls may not show how large it is since they all just have cells phones and are under-polled because of it, but I see it everyday on the campus of the University of Michigan. I have never seen such a grass roots effort to the level they are doing just to bring the leader they truly believe is their ” JFK ” He may or not be one by the test of time but we have to understand they don’t vote on issues, they vote when inspired and that is why you see the huge crowds for Obama.
Oh response to your comment that I’m just some young dude who doesn’t have a clue and I don’t realize how good Bill Clinton was for this country. Well let’s just say I met Bill Clinton back in the summer of 1992 during his campaign. I was there with my ex-wife and she was about 7 months pregnant with my now 15 yr son. Well we got to chat with him for a few minutes and he noticed that she was pregnant and asked when she was due…….well being me, I then said “he is due on the day you will be elected President of the United States” and believe it or not he was born on that great day, November 3, 1992. I remember voting in the morning and then when I got home we had to go right to the hospital. That was truly a great day in my life. Oh this may give out my age, I got into a fight defending Jimmy Carter in 5th grade back in 1976. It was over after we had a class election and being that only me and my teacher had voted for him put me on center stage to be different! So I was on my own and held my ground! So if a 5th grader is willing to fight for ( like I knew what I was fighting about….lol ) what we progressives stand for then hopefully we can come together and fight just as hard for the issues we care about by getting behind whoever becomes our nominee!
One last thought……some things just stick with me. When Hillary says that we would be disenfranchising voters if we don’t count the votes in Michigan & Florida, but would be so willing to let the the party insiders decide this and not the people just kills that argument for me. It should be as simple as this…..fight on and whoever has the majority of people behind them at the end of the primaries should be supported by all who truly cares about change with heath care, ending the war, protecting American workers, turning this economy in favor of the middles class, ending tax cuts for the rich, the right to choose, protecting the environment, the attack on public education, banks being loan sharks, our right to privacy, the return of habeas corpus, taking politics out of the dept. of justice, the rule of law, the attack on the constitution, and on and on! Just remember both Obama and Clinton supporters, if you vote for McCain, Nader or just sit it out you then the stark reality like it or not is that you will have a hand in stopping the change you are so passionately fighting for through your chosen candidate!
i just cannot fathom the people here who would vote for Nader instead of Obama should Clinton not get the nod. I assume the war, economy, rebuilding ties with our allies, taxes, declining middle class, and protecting social security are less important than a protest vote because your candidate did not get the nomination.
people please…it’s one thing to strongly support your candidate, but to claim that you will not vote for the parties ultimate nominee should it not be yours is so ridiculous. perhaps you have no place in this party since you would put your own anger at losing ahead of the common issues we democrats are trying to make real changes on.
Go Obama I say. But either way, i hope we can keep our conversation positive to the point that regardless which ends up getting the nomination, we can heal our party and work together to win. Again if this is not within your grap, then perhaps you need to reconsider whether or not you belong as a member of this party. Voting McCain or Nader is not supporting Democratic party ideals.
David,
I’m guessing you are a white male, and don’t take offense to this assumption. What you need to understand is that women are seriously oppressed in this society and through out the world!!! It doesn’t get the same play as racism, but in many ways is more restricting and just, if not more oppressive.
As a woman, I know that we have never gotten anywhere by playing along and letting the so called progressive men worry about our civil rights. That’s largely why we have so few. Women are 54% of the population, while blacks are 13% and all I hear on TV is how the blacks would feel if Hillary won!!!!! All other things being equal, I want Hillary. But more importantly, all things aren’t equal. Obama has no agenda for women other than saying that he is pro chioce!!!! Hillary has a pay equity package, she is for legislating Roe v. Wade in an effort to protect it from the supreme court, she has a deep understanding of the feminazation of poverty and her policies reflect as much, she would include gender based crimes as hate crimes, she supports an egual rights amendment, etc…. I could go on. But the point is that she will address women’s issues. Obama will maintain the status quo without moving our agenda forward. We are the oppressed majority!!!! When do we get a voice?
I am very emotionally invested because this is a historic opportunity for women to finally make gains toward equality, instead of our issues always being put on the back burner by male polititions. And when we finally got the right to vote, it was only because we were willing to drop the gauntlet and refused to support the male agenda, as I am now. Women in those states that could vote, used their franchise to make this point. It was only then that we got a consitutional amendment. I am looking at the big picture. I am looking at the big picture through a woman’s eyes who wants equality for herself, her sisters of all colors, her daughter, her mother and so on. I will not give that dream up and Hillary is the only one offering it!!!! It makes a difference to me that she is a woman, just as it makes a difference to blacks that Obama is black. You may not have any understanding of this, particularly if you are a white male, but it is extremely powerful. You are used to looking at people that look like you running the world. We are not.
In terms of the other issues like Iraq, the economy, immigration, global warming and job creation, I honestly believe that Clinton has a better program. It also bothers me that Obama keeps stealing Clinton’s ideas. For me his whole line about having a white mother was to convince white men to support him, by painting himself as one of the good old boys, wink, wink.
Another issue is that as women watch the misogynistic media abuse of Clinton, we are shocked and angered about how much hate males in power still have for us and our gender. Yes this is very real!!!!! You have to be blind not to see it. We will fight this to the end. The big picture you speak of is the same one that keeps us at the bottom of the totum pole. So don’t tell me to think about your big picture, because your big picture does not include me or what is best for women.
This is not just about Identity politics, it’s about identity policy. Clinton doesn’t appeal to me just because she is a women, but because she shares my belief in gender equality and is willing to make the policy to allow for that to happen. I would never vote for Kay Bailey Hutchenson, or Elizabeth Dole because they are not willing to move towards gender equality.
The stakes always have to be high in order for the oppressed to make head way. I’m not afraid of that and obviously neither is Clinton. So I’m sticking with her and will not be supporting Obama no matter what.. If you all have to suffer with the rest of us who are oppressed than so be it. When men start addressing sexism and are willing to make the appropriate changes, then we will see the same big picture.
Your discussion about Clinton’s campaign tactics again shows a sexist view. So many people hold her to a higher standard because she is a woman. Many don’t even realize it. I imagine you are thinking about the Wright contrivercy when you discuss her tactics. Meantime, Obama’s campaign has been using very sexist tactics and no one says anything. Part of the problem is that sexism is still accepted, particularly by men. Many of these tactics include digging up Bill’s infedelity, as if it was Hillary’s fault. She should have left, etc… I am a 45 years old woman and I too have had marital issues in my relationship of 25 years. I know that sex is only one part of a life long partnership. You work to fix it instead of walking away, especially when there are children and careers involved. That is the right thing to do. I don’t blame Hillary for Bill’s wrong doings.
Another example of Obama’s sexism is how on the one hand he refuses to aknowledge her experience in the white house, but then wants to blame her for the choices her husband made during his administration. He can’t have it both ways and its this kind of double play that women face all the time and he knows it. It is also insulting to watch him arrogantly bask in the light of male privilage at these debates and on television when the media is so clearly thrusting forth a gender bias assault against Clinton. So no I can’t support him!!!!!!
One last thing about civil rights. Women were not allowed to access birth control of any kind until 1966. Married women needed the consent of their husbands. The case that changed this was Griswald v. Conn.. We hear all the time about the voting rights act of 1964 that ended the Jim Crow laws of the south. Most young women don’t even know that their mothers could not even buy condums in the mid 1960′s. The schools aren’t teaching our sexist history, the way they are about raicism. We didn’t even have the right to control our bodies. We, like blacks have been oppressed and cheated out of the american dream.
Today we are raped, murdered, beaten in our homes, denied equal pay, are the poorest in our society, get the least healthcare, do not have equal protection under the law as the 14th amendment gives men of color, and we still have to fight everyday to keep the only right that we have gained in more than 30 years, that being the right to choose.
David, you said that you are supporting Obama because you have watched the race play out and you feel that if the super dalegates would go to Clinton the young people would become disengaged.
Well let me say this, Obama is not very far ahead of Clinton and things could turn around. He just lost a superdelegate who was endicted for some crazy scandal. But, have you considered the unfairness of dienfranchising Fl. who clearly want for Clinton, even though Obama broke the agreement not to campaign there by flooded the air waives with ads.
Did you consider the unfair bias of the media who has been trying to push Clinton out from the beginning by lying about her chances and deliberately trying to drive up the polls against her as they are now by telling people that she has already lost.?
Did you consider that Obama is deliberately fighting any chance of a revote of Fl. or Michigan?
Does it make you wonder about him if he is actively working to disenfranchise voters? Doesn’t that say something about his charecter?
Doesn’t it bother your democratic senseabilies that your candidate wants to disenfranchise two large states with a combined population of over 26 million people? How is this any different than 2000? This is criminal and it is your guy who wants it this way so it will look like he has won the popular vote, even it he hasn’t.
Did you know that these candidates are only 1% apart in the current popular vote, and thats without counting Fl and MI.?
The media has been lying as they did about the Iraq war. Have you fallen for it?
So David, I hope this post enlightens you, so you have a better understanding of this woman’s “big picture”.
Howard Dean – letter to all Candidates
Clinton campaign response
Great post.
I’ve never voted for a Democrat for president before, but I’ve been a Hiillary supporter since — well, since even before she declared. It’s long been clear to me that she is the person we need at the helm as we meet the great challenges we face, both foreign and domestic.
I predict that, in years to come, the country will look back at what might have happened had Obama become president, and shudder. I believe his flaws are only now beginning to come to light.
Be it a Democratic leader or Republican,may the Superior Court judges sort through the confusion for the peopleof MI and FI.!!Who had the guts to get up in America and fight for their voices?Count their votes and voices or re-do it and don’t get lost in the confusion young voices of America! “Get Real”! Count their voices in Fl. and MI. or re-do it! This ia America and it doesn’t matter who’s team your own! What’s fair in the confusion of politics and leadership for the people of America?The only one we saw fighting for the people of FL. and MI.and for their voices to be heard was Clinton! Disinfranchishment is a felony! Be it a donkey or elephant in leadership,what’s “FAIR”? It’s not the people’s fault!
Once again you UKfordems,
The right to vote belongs to the people, not the DNC or the candidates. So disapear and worry about your own country. You have no say here. If you think our country influances yours, to bad!!!! You are not a US citizen as much as you would like to be. So for the last time, you don’t count!!!!!!!!!
By the way, did you know that Obama takes campaign money from Exxon Moble and Shell.? There’s a recent article about it in Newsweek. Also he is sending out flyers telling people that they can trust him on energy policy because he does not take oil money, a blatent lie!!!!! No wonder he go together with his cousin Dick Chaney and signed off on that big energy bill of 2005 that allows nuclear power plants to get away with not reporting plant leaks and breaches. Obama is a fake and he has no intentions of leaving Iraq. The oil and nuclear power industry own him.
Maybe this effects your economy and global warming. Think about it!!!!!! Clinton voted for the war because Bush lied to congess and told them that we were in real danger. Obama, he’s just on the take!!!!!!
“House is Rocking”,don’t bother knocking,just come on in!” Gotta real good feeling in America, that our Superior Court will get it straighted out! Gee,wonder who stepped up to bat on that?Swing,batter,batter,batter,swing!! Excuse me,that’d be Clinton up to bat in all the confusion on FL. and MI. Count the votes or Re-do it !! We are not getting lost in the political fuss in America and see something wrong!! Who are the leaders in question for the confusion and send them to the Superior Court Judges!! What happened and get real !
Gibert..God bless your big brain and loyal heart! I’ve tried to understand why peoplw would even think of voting for Obama..I really have! I don’t understand how anyone would not be afraid of his affilliations..Rezko…the arab thief, will bury him if Wright doesnt do it first. The McCain will win and more young men will die for nothing. How in H did Obama get so arrogant? He is in shcok that “She keeps on ticking”??? Why would she not? she has worked PROUDLY for The great USA for 35 years. He was a JR senator for ONE yr when he set out to be president! I guess the world owes him anything he wants. And he thinks SHE”S in HIS way. He’s petrified that his evil connections to rezko and wright will come out more…there IS a trail going on. He wants it all sewed up. Well tough twinkies OBAMA..He has NEVER paid his dues…still wants to skip that step even now…as for STAMINA and her being older..that was HIS frail butt lying on a cot on the beach last week (complete with straw hat) while SHE pounded the pavements and roads to reach every American she could reach. I’m sticking with my girl…she’s ALWAYS been proud to be American…she can and she will win. Maybe she does not have Old aunti Oprah dishing out millions to her newest facination…but she has many, many proud HARD WORKING AMERICANS behind her who will help her $10.00 at a time. The Repulicans would bury Obama…and we will have years more of good young men comming home in body bags…Please dont let this be a matter of race or age or getting on Oprah’s moneywagon…Lets support the Lady who has been working for us for 35 years..most of them for free. Find another of the “100 best lawyers in the USA” to do that for ya…she loves this country and its people with her whole heart. Thanks for listening.
Kendall Johnson,
The Hillary position on Iraq, Nafta and even Florida have changed, not because of some sudden Damascus like realisation, rather, her views changed because she faced a strong challenger in the Primaries. This was supposed to be her annointed prize, and while playing to the Republicans, she acted more Republican than McCain. If Iraq was a mistake, how does that explain her more recent vote on Iran? Where was her opposition to NAFTA when Bill signed it .
I agree – so attack the elected representatives of Florida and Michigan who moved their primaries forward. Do not demand changing of the rules mid campaign.
Concentrate on the issues. Do not tear down the chances of a Democrat being elected for purely the sake of one candidate.
National events always have an effect on International events. If that were not the case, you would still be paying taxes to the UK. (At least you would have had a better government).
UKfor dems,
Hillary was always untrusting of NAFTA, but there you go again blaming her for what Bill Clinton does. And the Iran National Gaurd vote, Obama voted present!!! How convinient. Why didn’t he take an anti-war stand and vote no? Because he is a player who is fooling people.
That 2005 energy bill Obama voted for helps big oil and nuclear power, but puts the breaks on going green!!!! No wonder the corporate media loves this guy!!!!
John Karry and the rest of these sexist males voted for that fucking war too. Now everybody wants to crusify Clinton for it. Another typical male double standard being applied to the only woman. And Obama was still in grade school when it all happened!!!