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		<title>By: Pamela Leavey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pamela Leavey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 23:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eakarach

As the Owner/Editor of this blog I will reiterate what Janis said above. One of your comments has been removed, please steer clear of all insults and bashing or you will be put on moderation and all of your comments will have to be approved before they appear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eakarach</p>
<p>As the Owner/Editor of this blog I will reiterate what Janis said above. One of your comments has been removed, please steer clear of all insults and bashing or you will be put on moderation and all of your comments will have to be approved before they appear.</p>
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		<title>By: Janis</title>
		<link>http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/03/22/the-potential-first-lady-is-she-a-true-democrat/comment-page-1/#comment-7934</link>
		<dc:creator>Janis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 19:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can we please keep the content-free, nasty invective to a minimum here?  This is like the Nth comment you&#039;ve made in a row that adds nothing to the discourse but only badmouths people with a string of crude insults.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can we please keep the content-free, nasty invective to a minimum here?  This is like the Nth comment you&#8217;ve made in a row that adds nothing to the discourse but only badmouths people with a string of crude insults.</p>
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		<title>By: Eakarach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eakarach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 19:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Janis</title>
		<link>http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/03/22/the-potential-first-lady-is-she-a-true-democrat/comment-page-1/#comment-7812</link>
		<dc:creator>Janis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Larry, I agree that Obama has been making his race work for him, but I think it&#039;s not just that -- his race is an advantage &lt;i&gt;because he is in a contest with a woman&lt;/i&gt;.

Black men and white women have been pawns for decades (white black women placed into whichever category lets them get as little support as possible).  The fact that Obama is black gives white people (mostly men, but a few women with serious problems) an excuse to savage the hell out of Hillary Clinton and still call themselves liberals.  In their heart of hearts, they couldn&#039;t give a damn for the obstacles that confront black men in this countrry.  He just makes an attractive bludgeon to go after someone else.  Like when white men used white women and our supposed saintly sexual purity as bludgeons to send black men to jail and kill them.

We&#039;ve been pawns set against one another for decades -- but without us &lt;i&gt;both&lt;/i&gt;, they are left simply being the hateful creatures they are instead of pretending to care deeply about one at the expense of the other.  Without &lt;i&gt;both of us&lt;/i&gt; on the stage, they are exposed as both racist &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; sexist.  Unfortunately, this primary contest has give them free reign.

It reminds me of the old book &quot;To Kill a Mockingbird.&quot;  The black man was sent to jail, the white woman was raped and beaten repeatedly by her father.  Only the white male justice system triumphed.  And without a black man to take the blame or a white woman forced to strke out at &lt;i&gt;anyone&lt;/i&gt; to keep frmo being raped and beaten one more time, the whole game would fall apart. It&#039;s all so depressing, and it just pits &lt;i&gt;us&lt;/i&gt; against one another.

I could say &quot;if we let it,&quot; but I don&#039;t know how to avoid it if the playing field is set out for us.  It&#039;s like telling someone that they could walk through a minefield if only they just pretended the mines weren&#039;t there.  Well, they are.  Pretending won&#039;t make them go away.  And I don&#039;t WANT to blow my own leg off, and I don&#039;t WANT to blow yours off either.  And I&#039;m seeing more and more white men shaking my belief that they are always and only my enemy.

I fear we&#039;ll lose either way, but I&#039;ll be left with the cold comfort of two or three newspapers articles that make me think that maybe everyone isn&#039;t entirely irredeemable.  It&#039;s just not enough anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry, I agree that Obama has been making his race work for him, but I think it&#8217;s not just that &#8212; his race is an advantage <i>because he is in a contest with a woman</i>.</p>
<p>Black men and white women have been pawns for decades (white black women placed into whichever category lets them get as little support as possible).  The fact that Obama is black gives white people (mostly men, but a few women with serious problems) an excuse to savage the hell out of Hillary Clinton and still call themselves liberals.  In their heart of hearts, they couldn&#8217;t give a damn for the obstacles that confront black men in this countrry.  He just makes an attractive bludgeon to go after someone else.  Like when white men used white women and our supposed saintly sexual purity as bludgeons to send black men to jail and kill them.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve been pawns set against one another for decades &#8212; but without us <i>both</i>, they are left simply being the hateful creatures they are instead of pretending to care deeply about one at the expense of the other.  Without <i>both of us</i> on the stage, they are exposed as both racist <i>and</i> sexist.  Unfortunately, this primary contest has give them free reign.</p>
<p>It reminds me of the old book &#8220;To Kill a Mockingbird.&#8221;  The black man was sent to jail, the white woman was raped and beaten repeatedly by her father.  Only the white male justice system triumphed.  And without a black man to take the blame or a white woman forced to strke out at <i>anyone</i> to keep frmo being raped and beaten one more time, the whole game would fall apart. It&#8217;s all so depressing, and it just pits <i>us</i> against one another.</p>
<p>I could say &#8220;if we let it,&#8221; but I don&#8217;t know how to avoid it if the playing field is set out for us.  It&#8217;s like telling someone that they could walk through a minefield if only they just pretended the mines weren&#8217;t there.  Well, they are.  Pretending won&#8217;t make them go away.  And I don&#8217;t WANT to blow my own leg off, and I don&#8217;t WANT to blow yours off either.  And I&#8217;m seeing more and more white men shaking my belief that they are always and only my enemy.</p>
<p>I fear we&#8217;ll lose either way, but I&#8217;ll be left with the cold comfort of two or three newspapers articles that make me think that maybe everyone isn&#8217;t entirely irredeemable.  It&#8217;s just not enough anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Janis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, that comment wasn&#039;t off the cuff; it was completely calculated.  (Eek, that word that&#039;s always applied to Hillary Clinton as if she were some sort of machinelike gorgon.)

Michelle Obama is probably roughly my age; I have been proud of my country a few times since I grew into adulthood, but they have been few and far between.

The problem is that they have all been during the Clinton adminsitration, the only Democratic administration for the past thirty-almost years.

If Michelle Obama had stated the more accurate truth that she has been proud of her country very few times in her adult life, she would have been pressed to name the times she had been.  Every single one of those times would have been from 1992 to 2000 and hence Clinton&#039;s campaign would have seized on them as grist for their mills.

As a consequence, she was &lt;i&gt;very, very careful&lt;/i&gt; to say &quot;for the first time in my adult life&quot; because that neatly amputated the period between 1992-2000 when the US did a few things right.

Completely calculated -- unlike them, I don&#039;t consider that to be an indication of pure coalhearted evil.  The problem here is the hypocrisy that calls Clinton a cunning snake when she chooses her words carefully, while anyone named Obama gets a pass for what is the exact same surgical word choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, that comment wasn&#8217;t off the cuff; it was completely calculated.  (Eek, that word that&#8217;s always applied to Hillary Clinton as if she were some sort of machinelike gorgon.)</p>
<p>Michelle Obama is probably roughly my age; I have been proud of my country a few times since I grew into adulthood, but they have been few and far between.</p>
<p>The problem is that they have all been during the Clinton adminsitration, the only Democratic administration for the past thirty-almost years.</p>
<p>If Michelle Obama had stated the more accurate truth that she has been proud of her country very few times in her adult life, she would have been pressed to name the times she had been.  Every single one of those times would have been from 1992 to 2000 and hence Clinton&#8217;s campaign would have seized on them as grist for their mills.</p>
<p>As a consequence, she was <i>very, very careful</i> to say &#8220;for the first time in my adult life&#8221; because that neatly amputated the period between 1992-2000 when the US did a few things right.</p>
<p>Completely calculated &#8212; unlike them, I don&#8217;t consider that to be an indication of pure coalhearted evil.  The problem here is the hypocrisy that calls Clinton a cunning snake when she chooses her words carefully, while anyone named Obama gets a pass for what is the exact same surgical word choice.</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart O'Neill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stuart O'Neill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to thank all for a great discussion on the topic. See how civil and informed a blog comment string can be if the blog is run as an open place for all to comment. That&#039;s the Democratic Daily! Bless it, it&#039;s about the last place to accept varying views with politeness.

To the substance: We have two African-Americans on this string. What an interesting development. We don&#039;t hear much about minority support for HRC except in the Latino community.

Thanks for being readers. Thanks for taking the time to comment.

I&#039;ve been off-line for a few days or I&#039;d have been posting too.

Stuart</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to thank all for a great discussion on the topic. See how civil and informed a blog comment string can be if the blog is run as an open place for all to comment. That&#8217;s the Democratic Daily! Bless it, it&#8217;s about the last place to accept varying views with politeness.</p>
<p>To the substance: We have two African-Americans on this string. What an interesting development. We don&#8217;t hear much about minority support for HRC except in the Latino community.</p>
<p>Thanks for being readers. Thanks for taking the time to comment.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been off-line for a few days or I&#8217;d have been posting too.</p>
<p>Stuart</p>
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		<title>By: Eakarach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eakarach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 02:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I truly hope Hillary will b ours nominee. so we don&#039;t have 2 put up with Obama and his wife Michelle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I truly hope Hillary will b ours nominee. so we don&#8217;t have 2 put up with Obama and his wife Michelle.</p>
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		<title>By: Darrell Prows</title>
		<link>http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/03/22/the-potential-first-lady-is-she-a-true-democrat/comment-page-1/#comment-7728</link>
		<dc:creator>Darrell Prows</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 01:35:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nathan: Get a grip. Right now McCain is shaping up to get the same diehard group of people who feel that BUSHCO is still on the right track, and probably not one toher vote.

Dude, that ain&#039;t going to put another Republican in the Whitehouse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nathan: Get a grip. Right now McCain is shaping up to get the same diehard group of people who feel that BUSHCO is still on the right track, and probably not one toher vote.</p>
<p>Dude, that ain&#8217;t going to put another Republican in the Whitehouse.</p>
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		<title>By: proseandpromise</title>
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		<dc:creator>proseandpromise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 21:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nathan,
How is that not an endorsement?  &quot;McCain is qualified, I don&#039;t know if Obama is...but if I lose I&#039;ll support Obama.&quot;  You talk like this &quot;threshhold&quot; or line is something concrete we can measure or know about objectively.  It isn&#039;t.  It&#039;s invented rhetoric.  THere is a reason that a larger number of Clinton supporters would cross-over to McCain than Obama supporters.  Their candidate has been saying OVER and OVER that Obama is not ready.  So whinning about a nuanced answer by a first lady is pretty insane.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nathan,<br />
How is that not an endorsement?  &#8220;McCain is qualified, I don&#8217;t know if Obama is&#8230;but if I lose I&#8217;ll support Obama.&#8221;  You talk like this &#8220;threshhold&#8221; or line is something concrete we can measure or know about objectively.  It isn&#8217;t.  It&#8217;s invented rhetoric.  THere is a reason that a larger number of Clinton supporters would cross-over to McCain than Obama supporters.  Their candidate has been saying OVER and OVER that Obama is not ready.  So whinning about a nuanced answer by a first lady is pretty insane.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 21:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>proseandpromise,

Clindon did not endorse McCain.  She said that both she and McCain crossed the C-in-C threshold and that &lt;b&gt;Obama would have to make his own case&lt;/b&gt; (Regardless of what we think of McCain, it is accepted as a given that he has crossed that line).  That is it.  How did Obama and people like you react?  By distorting what she said  and refusing to prove Obama&#039;s case for being qualified.

I swear, after McPeak&#039;s bizarre attack upon Bill Clinton, it seems as if Obama expects the Clinton camp to &lt;i&gt;campaign on his behalf&lt;/i&gt;.  Never mind the fact that it is the Obama camp that has repeatedly smeared Clinton, trying to cripple her candidacy.  No double standard there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>proseandpromise,</p>
<p>Clindon did not endorse McCain.  She said that both she and McCain crossed the C-in-C threshold and that <b>Obama would have to make his own case</b> (Regardless of what we think of McCain, it is accepted as a given that he has crossed that line).  That is it.  How did Obama and people like you react?  By distorting what she said  and refusing to prove Obama&#8217;s case for being qualified.</p>
<p>I swear, after McPeak&#8217;s bizarre attack upon Bill Clinton, it seems as if Obama expects the Clinton camp to <i>campaign on his behalf</i>.  Never mind the fact that it is the Obama camp that has repeatedly smeared Clinton, trying to cripple her candidacy.  No double standard there.</p>
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