It’s warmongering or warmongering if she doesn’t get in. Traditionally defined party lines don’t matter in this one.

That attitude stems from exactly the same place in the recesses of the human mind as the attitude that says, “Hell, just put the problem off until we’re not in trouble anymore,” or “Who caeres about the environment? The planet’s here for us to use up however we want.” You just can’t solve those problems while cosseting the underlying attitude that creates them.

I’ve said it before — if either McCain OR Obama gets in, it’ll be pretty much the same for women. The McCain crowd consists mostly of a bunch of indolent sexists who can’t be bothered to get out of the recliner to go dump on women any more than they already are. The Obama fans consist of those horrific creatures infesting DKos who are a lot younger, more violent, and more hateful — and who will be gleeful over having crushed the most powerful woman in American politics. Either we live in a country ruled for the former or the latter — and either way, we’re shafted.

And a nation that shafts its women i>does not have the presence of mind and the heart to solve problems like war or environmental devastation anyhow.

We need Hillary in the WH. And in the past, we have needed to play very hard hardball to get what we as women need, even within the party that supports us. While the suffragists were trying to be team players, they got sidelined. When they finally made threats to throw an election, that’s when the men in their party stood up and coughed up. After generations of effort. After those long, painful decades, it took the threats of women to get it done.

I don’t like it either. I’d rather share a nation and a planet with people who were kind and undestanding and aware enough of my humanity (and yours) to simply see the necessity themselves without threats, wheedling, and legal help. But I don’t like on that planet. None of us do. As long as we can be taken advantage of, we will be taken advantage of.

I’m just tired of it. I just can’t do this “cave in for the good of the team” garbage anymore. I can’t do it. I respect your feelings, and I respect Hillary’s opinions as well. But I just can’t force myself to swallow “someday” anymore. I just can’t.

Excuse the typos and grammer of my last post, I was a little heated on that one. But I am with you!!!! I’ll go to the convention. Your reading of history with regard to women’s franchise is right on point!!!! We can do it again if we stick together!!! I have written to Howard Dean and reminded him that Women are the largest voting block in the democratic party and that we do have the networking skills to fight if they don’t square up on Florida and Michigan!!!! The more vioces the DNC hear from women the more serious they will take us. I am tired of hearing how the Blacks will riot if the superdelegates side with Clinton. If they don’t they will have to contend with women, who once again are the majority, not 13% of the nations population, but are 54%.

Its time to get tough!!!!

I am tired of working twice as hard for half as much. We need to remind men that they can’t win without us and that we demand a level and fair playing field!!!!! Pamala’s attitude is exactly what they are counting on. We screw them, there just women and there come aeound. NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO!!!!!!!! I won’t!!! I won’t for my daughter, or my sister or my mother!!!!!! NO I WON’T. NO MORE BACK SEAT!!!!! THIS IS OUR TIME IF WE STICK TOGETHER. HILLARY HAS BEEN SENDING THIS MESSAGE FOR A LONG TIME. I don’t think it bagan to sink in until Texas and Ohio. Fuck Bill Richardson that piece of shit Judis!!!!!!!!

You are right – “you either have to take it (one’s religion) seriously and really live it, walk away and find something that does reflect your inner beliefs….”

I know a number of Americans who do walk away from their church and find something that does reflect their inner beliefs. Many of America’s mainstream denominations have lost members because Americans have so many choices of where to worship that there is no reason to remain with a church where one disagrees with one’s pastor and congregants.

Obama’s choice to remain with this church for 20 years, with that pastor, speaks volumnes to me about what he holds dear and believes. I now know something about him as a man.

I prefer Hillary Clinton, hands down. I would never vote for the Republican nominee, as I fundamentally disagree with more of the Bush Republican agenda. Hillary Clinton as the Democratic nominee has a good chance to beat John McCain. Obama as the nominee will lose in the general election, because this issue is not going to go away.

I believe Americans will will weigh the importance of Obama’s choice based on their own experiences when they were faced with a choice on places to worship. Every voter I’ve spoken with personally has said if their church did as Obama’s church did – bestowing a prestigious award on Jew hating Louis Farrakan; head pastor visiting dictator Ghadafi of Lybia; head pastor failing to show Christ’s compassion to the widows, widowers and orphans of 9/11 just 5 days later, and failing to offer prayers for the departed but instead preaches a sermon that borders on treason – that voter would walk out of that church to worship in one that preaches the love of Christ and embrassess the powerful, all inclusive, unifying message to those in the body of Christ: “There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.”

Clinton was asked by a voter here Monday about the increasingly contentious race, and whether Democrats can manage to come together in the general election. Clinton re-emphasized that Democrats must unite after the primary battle.

“I think we will have a unified Democratic party once we have a nominee, we will go into fall election very committed to taking back the White House,” she said. “None of the things I talk about will happen if Sen. McCain is elected.”

She praised McCain and their work in Senate together, but added, “As he himself has said, he doesn’t know much about the economy.”

The mostly female audience laughed as she ribbed McCain over his economic credentials, but she was serious as she urged Democrats to put aside their differences to defeat the presumptive GOP nominee.

“I think that people that who would have voted for either me or Sen. Obama are going to ask themselves, ‘Wait a minute, there are really big differences between the Democrats and the Republicans.’ And let’s have a unified party and elect a Democratic president.”