“If this is for real”

I watched the video earlier this evening. If this is for real is right. It can easily be described as a video to make the Obama camp look bad, made by a Clinton supporter. I say that as a Clinton supporter with a strong does of reality thrown in. If you want to vote for McCain – knock yourself out and do us a favor and go find a nice conservative blog to tout him on.

Personally I am tiring of the hysterics from both camps. If you truly support Hillary Clinton, as I have said here a few times, you would be following her lead and be willing to support the nominee — whether it is Clinton or Obama.

Good luck to you.

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If this is for real, then I guess we know why Obama does so well at caucuses. And that mealy-mouthed, “Well, snivel-snivel we heard about some of your people maybe doing it, too” at the end is a crock.

Again — if it’s for real — I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR HIM. Ever. That man’s campaign is pure poison.

It’s a bit like the liberals have been saying regards terrorism and the Patriot Act and all that garbage — if in order to defend yourself from evil, you BECOME evil, you have lost and the bad guys have won. QED.

At that point, believe you me — Gilbert is absolutely dead right. This country is dead in the water.

A vote for McCain will ensure that at least ONE party is slapped back to being on the up and up.

A vote for a faux-nominated Obama will mean TWO parties are both craven and worthless, and we will neevr again be able to trust another election for as long as we live.

With that in the balance, you are goddamned right I can and WILL vote for John McCain, hate him though I do.

We need to stop casting this as some sort of static system where we just pick A or B, where the system itself is not changed by the results. It’s naive and foolish and unimaginably shortsighted to act as if that’s what’s going on.

And I’ve already said how I feel. I don’t want to go from 8 years of a cocky, spoiled brat heir-apparent who thinks he can learn on the job and disenfranchise whole states to get what he thinks he’s owed to another cocky, spoiled brat heir-apparent who thinks he can learn on the job and disenfranchise whole states to get what he thinks he’s owed.

As a pro-choice woman, I’ve survived 8 years of Bush and before that 12 years of Reagan-Bush. To teach the Democratic party a lesson they’ll never forget, I can hold out for just a little bit longer.

I am with you all the way. I can’t vote for Obama. Between the disenfranchising voters, race bating and sexism that he has displayed throughout his campaign, I cannot vote for him. He is a wolf in sheeps clothing and I’m not falling for it. I will vote for Nader, if Obama is the nominee.

I understand the passion, but even Hillary has urged that her supporters support the nominee and has said she will. And I have no doubt that she will if that nominee ends up not being her.

I think we are falling into a dangerous course by considering this election in the context solely of the here and now. That no matter what either Dem candidate does, we must support the eventual winner against McCain no matter what she or he does. Disenfranchising voters–or only franchising them if the vote is already pre-determined–has long term implications. Sitting silently in the face of relentless race-baiting and sexism puts a strain on race relations in the future and makes progress for women harder. Those actions should have consequences. Obama is using the we must fall in line threat to abuse the process and, personally, the process is something more sacred than who actually wins. The process has been perverted and that has long-lasting implications that we should address. The good of the country should demand that the process be protected just as much as it demands a Democrat in the White House. In the case of disenfranchising voters we are entering very dangerous territory. With Bush v Gore in the recent past, we should be extremely careful about the precedents we are setting.

I strongly believe deliberately disenfranchising voters is worse than a McCain presidency. We don’t know what McCain will do–good or bad–but we know disenfranchisement belies the fundamental premises of democracy. This fundamental premise is weighing very heavy in my mind right now and if voters are deliberately disenfranchised no amount of soaring speeches will ever get rid of that stain in my view. Even if Super Ds gave Hillary the nomination, but not allowing FL and MI to be counted, I do not think I could maintain my allegiance to the Dems.