Comments on: Is This The End Of The Democratic Party? http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/04/25/is-this-the-end-of-the-democratic-party/ Political News, Progressive Commentary, Liberal Opinions and Common Sense Conversation... Sat, 11 Feb 2012 13:14:27 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Gilbert Martinez http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/04/25/is-this-the-end-of-the-democratic-party/comment-page-1/#comment-9751 Gilbert Martinez Sat, 26 Apr 2008 21:27:45 +0000 http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/04/25/is-this-the-end-of-the-democratic-party/#comment-9751 Darrell, there are other systems in the world that are not completely single-payer that provide better outcomes than the US system. Single payer is not the only system that will provide better outcomes. I'd love to see some literature cited on your claim that single-payer health care is the only solution to provide better outcomes. Why is there so little mention from "a pox on both their houses" advocates of Hillary's opening up of a single-payer option to compete with insurance companies. Hillary's plan provides more access and is more efficient. It also provides a way to get toward a universal single-payer system, if it proves better. Obama, or at least his advisers, have a long history of actively opposing universality. That is a big difference. Darrell, there are other systems in the world that are not completely single-payer that provide better outcomes than the US system. Single payer is not the only system that will provide better outcomes. I’d love to see some literature cited on your claim that single-payer health care is the only solution to provide better outcomes.

Why is there so little mention from “a pox on both their houses” advocates of Hillary’s opening up of a single-payer option to compete with insurance companies. Hillary’s plan provides more access and is more efficient. It also provides a way to get toward a universal single-payer system, if it proves better. Obama, or at least his advisers, have a long history of actively opposing universality. That is a big difference.

]]> By: Stuart O'Neill http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/04/25/is-this-the-end-of-the-democratic-party/comment-page-1/#comment-9745 Stuart O'Neill Sat, 26 Apr 2008 20:25:19 +0000 http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/04/25/is-this-the-end-of-the-democratic-party/#comment-9745 Interesting thread as I've been off line. As to Obama, I don't think he's the best choice for President. If he is the nominee however he will have my vote. 4-8 more years of Republican rule can do nothing but continue to drive this country into a worse international posture and financial bankruptcy. I'm sure Janis is reacting to the emotional campaign. This primary is a perfect example. It's the first in history to have the instantaneous communication of the Net fully integrated into the campaign structure itself. With the advent of the social networking sites and their popularity we are only scratching the surface of their new heavy impact on the next campaigns. It all seems to bring out the emotion in all of us. It is a polarized primary. Both candidates have repeatedly called for unity after the convention. I believe they both know McCain must be defeated and if that means making 'strange bedfellows' so be it. No more Republicans appointing Supreme Court judges for one thing! Interesting thread as I’ve been off line. As to Obama, I don’t think he’s the best choice for President. If he is the nominee however he will have my vote.

4-8 more years of Republican rule can do nothing but continue to drive this country into a worse international posture and financial bankruptcy.

I’m sure Janis is reacting to the emotional campaign. This primary is a perfect example. It’s the first in history to have the instantaneous communication of the Net fully integrated into the campaign structure itself.

With the advent of the social networking sites and their popularity we are only scratching the surface of their new heavy impact on the next campaigns.

It all seems to bring out the emotion in all of us. It is a polarized primary. Both candidates have repeatedly called for unity after the convention. I believe they both know McCain must be defeated and if that means making ‘strange bedfellows’ so be it.

No more Republicans appointing Supreme Court judges for one thing!

]]> By: coldH2Owi http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/04/25/is-this-the-end-of-the-democratic-party/comment-page-1/#comment-9721 coldH2Owi Sat, 26 Apr 2008 04:10:43 +0000 http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/04/25/is-this-the-end-of-the-democratic-party/#comment-9721 Quit pissing & moaning Darrell. This is a Sen. Clinton blog, no policy discussions allowed. Actually, I agree with you. Sen. Clinton's DLC style health care will not save lives, much like her vote for the war did not save any lives. Sen. Obama's view of health care is virtually the same as Sen. Clinton's, neither, as you say, addresses the failure of the richest nation in the world to provide health care for its citizens. It's more important to elect a woman than anything else. Or a black man. & Pamela, don't you think Sen. Obama is the perfect Clinton candidate? I'd be interested to hear your views. One of these candidates is going to be our nominee & it would be good to, as Sen. Clinton says, vet them. Quit pissing & moaning Darrell. This is a Sen. Clinton blog, no policy discussions allowed. Actually, I agree with you. Sen. Clinton’s DLC style health care will not save lives, much like her vote for the war did not save any lives. Sen. Obama’s view of health care is virtually the same as Sen. Clinton’s, neither, as you say, addresses the failure of the richest nation in the world to provide health care for its citizens. It’s more important to elect a woman than anything else. Or a black man.

& Pamela, don’t you think Sen. Obama is the perfect Clinton candidate? I’d be interested to hear your views. One of these candidates is going to be our nominee & it would be good to, as Sen. Clinton says, vet them.

]]> By: Darrell Prows http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/04/25/is-this-the-end-of-the-democratic-party/comment-page-1/#comment-9719 Darrell Prows Sat, 26 Apr 2008 03:32:59 +0000 http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/04/25/is-this-the-end-of-the-democratic-party/#comment-9719 Only single payer provides better health outcomes, and saves lives! Only single payer provides better health outcomes, and saves lives!

]]> By: Darrell Prows http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/04/25/is-this-the-end-of-the-democratic-party/comment-page-1/#comment-9718 Darrell Prows Sat, 26 Apr 2008 03:10:26 +0000 http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/04/25/is-this-the-end-of-the-democratic-party/#comment-9718 "throws universal health care under the bus"... Let's be honest with ourselves. Between the final two, it's sixes on health care. Two half measures based on two center right political assessments. I would love a candidate, and I think that the nation would also, who staked the election on an overriding campaign theme of "The Republics offer the same thing on health care that they offer on everything. A feel good message and a failed policy. They have already trashed our economy, and now they ask us to take an approach on health care that will do the same thing to the health of our country. Let's save money on health care, and save millions of “throws universal health care under the bus”…
Let’s be honest with ourselves. Between the final two, it’s sixes on health care. Two half measures based on two center right political assessments.

I would love a candidate, and I think that the nation would also, who staked the election on an overriding campaign theme of “The Republics offer the same thing on health care that they offer on everything. A feel good message and a failed policy. They have already trashed our economy, and now they ask us to take an approach on health care that will do the same thing to the health of our country. Let’s save money on health care, and save millions of

]]> By: Pamela Leavey http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/04/25/is-this-the-end-of-the-democratic-party/comment-page-1/#comment-9717 Pamela Leavey Sat, 26 Apr 2008 01:34:43 +0000 http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/04/25/is-this-the-end-of-the-democratic-party/#comment-9717 coldH2Owi Considering the blog is supporting Hillary Clinton and Janis is here as a Clinton supporter, it looks as though the concern troll amongst us is you. You piss and moan and complain here constantly. coldH2Owi

Considering the blog is supporting Hillary Clinton and Janis is here as a Clinton supporter, it looks as though the concern troll amongst us is you. You piss and moan and complain here constantly.

]]> By: coldH2Owi http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/04/25/is-this-the-end-of-the-democratic-party/comment-page-1/#comment-9716 coldH2Owi Sat, 26 Apr 2008 01:11:48 +0000 http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/04/25/is-this-the-end-of-the-democratic-party/#comment-9716 I look in the mirror every day, Pamela, do you? Nice, try. Bring on Harold Ford, Jr., now that's a Democrat. Now I get it, Janis is apparently a female & they cannot be criticized. Sorry about that. I'll tell you one thing, Pamela, you won't see me threatening to register as a ReThug just because I hate a black, male Democratic Senator who attends a United Church of Christ church anytime soon. & I'll do my goddamnedest to make sure in the years I have left that not only my granddaughters, but all females will be able to aspire to become politicians, even president without $109,000,000 in income over the eight years of the Bu$hCo regime. I look in the mirror every day, Pamela, do you? Nice, try. Bring on Harold Ford, Jr., now that’s a Democrat. Now I get it, Janis is apparently a female & they cannot be criticized. Sorry about that. I’ll tell you one thing, Pamela, you won’t see me threatening to register as a ReThug just because I hate a black, male Democratic Senator who attends a United Church of Christ church anytime soon. & I’ll do my goddamnedest to make sure in the years I have left that not only my granddaughters, but all females will be able to aspire to become politicians, even president without $109,000,000 in income over the eight years of the Bu$hCo regime.

]]> By: betmo http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/04/25/is-this-the-end-of-the-democratic-party/comment-page-1/#comment-9712 betmo Fri, 25 Apr 2008 23:29:34 +0000 http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/04/25/is-this-the-end-of-the-democratic-party/#comment-9712 i could say that hillary clinton is destroying the democratic party too. but i won't- because in the end- it's us- the rank and file that are destroying the party. we are allowing ourselves to be hijacked and 'crossed over' by the republican party and we are letting ourselves take our eyes off of the real issues by all of the distractionary rumors and whatnot. the bottom line- this country is divided and the democratic party is divided. and it is what it is. we put ourselves into this position by not supporting the second tier candidates like kucinich and dodd. and that is our own fault as americans and as members of the democratic party. i could say that hillary clinton is destroying the democratic party too. but i won’t- because in the end- it’s us- the rank and file that are destroying the party. we are allowing ourselves to be hijacked and ‘crossed over’ by the republican party and we are letting ourselves take our eyes off of the real issues by all of the distractionary rumors and whatnot. the bottom line- this country is divided and the democratic party is divided. and it is what it is. we put ourselves into this position by not supporting the second tier candidates like kucinich and dodd. and that is our own fault as americans and as members of the democratic party.

]]> By: Pamela Leavey http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/04/25/is-this-the-end-of-the-democratic-party/comment-page-1/#comment-9710 Pamela Leavey Fri, 25 Apr 2008 23:06:31 +0000 http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/04/25/is-this-the-end-of-the-democratic-party/#comment-9710 coldH2Owi I do believe you should look in the mirror. coldH2Owi

I do believe you should look in the mirror.

]]> By: coldH2Owi http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/04/25/is-this-the-end-of-the-democratic-party/comment-page-1/#comment-9708 coldH2Owi Fri, 25 Apr 2008 22:23:46 +0000 http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/04/25/is-this-the-end-of-the-democratic-party/#comment-9708 I believe Janis is a concern troll. What say y'all? I believe Janis is a concern troll. What say y’all?

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