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		<title>By: Pamela Leavey</title>
		<link>http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/06/07/sorry-gang-im-just-not-there-yet/comment-page-1/#comment-13934</link>
		<dc:creator>Pamela Leavey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 00:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LSekhmet 

Quickly before I run out the door, I have no intention of cutting off Clinton supporters, but we won&#039;t be supporting McCain here, so those wishing to support McCain will be better off at blogs that do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LSekhmet </p>
<p>Quickly before I run out the door, I have no intention of cutting off Clinton supporters, but we won&#8217;t be supporting McCain here, so those wishing to support McCain will be better off at blogs that do.</p>
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		<title>By: LSekhmet</title>
		<link>http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/06/07/sorry-gang-im-just-not-there-yet/comment-page-1/#comment-13921</link>
		<dc:creator>LSekhmet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 22:40:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know how we can support a nominee we feel has been selected, not elected; Obama didn&#039;t win the popular vote, and won the majority of pledged delegates because of caucuses.  Voter intimidation was a factor in most of the caucuses, the vast majority of it by Obama supporters -- see Texas&#039;s 2000 violations (some reported by police officers) if you don&#039;t believe me.

I am for Democracy, and yet am now a Democrat-in-Exile as I feel my party does not care about me, does not represent me, and is no longer listening to me (if they ever were).

Hillary Clinton tried her best to get the issues on the table that I agree need to be discussed; her campaigning skills grew as she went on, and she blew out the selected nominee three times by 2-1 margins down the stretch.

For all of those reasons -- and for the misogyny of the mainstream media, which wasn&#039;t called out by Howard Dean until nearly the very end of the primary season (a week ago Sunday on Stephanopolous) -- I cannot support Barack Obama, and have become an Independent.   If the DNC starts listening again, and reforms the process, and stops blaming the voters for our so-called &quot;racism&quot; (when all we did was support another candidate we felt was more worthy; race had nothing to do with it in my case, as I couldn&#039;t have cared less what race Mrs. Clinton is nor Mr. Obama&#039;s), maybe I&#039;ll listen again.

Until that time, I&#039;ve become marginalized.  Disenfranchised.  Discarded.  Unwanted.  Unappreciated.

Ms. Leavey, I respect you and your mission, but please don&#039;t cut off we disaffected Hillary Clinton supporters.  I, for one, do not wish to support John McCain in the fall even though I find him an honorable man; I feel his policies are wrong for America at this time.

But I also feel Barack Obama isn&#039;t ready for this job yet -- and my feelings, like my conscience, are my own.  Please don&#039;t shut me out, or others like me, just because we&#039;re deeply distressed by the way the DNC has behaved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know how we can support a nominee we feel has been selected, not elected; Obama didn&#8217;t win the popular vote, and won the majority of pledged delegates because of caucuses.  Voter intimidation was a factor in most of the caucuses, the vast majority of it by Obama supporters &#8212; see Texas&#8217;s 2000 violations (some reported by police officers) if you don&#8217;t believe me.</p>
<p>I am for Democracy, and yet am now a Democrat-in-Exile as I feel my party does not care about me, does not represent me, and is no longer listening to me (if they ever were).</p>
<p>Hillary Clinton tried her best to get the issues on the table that I agree need to be discussed; her campaigning skills grew as she went on, and she blew out the selected nominee three times by 2-1 margins down the stretch.</p>
<p>For all of those reasons &#8212; and for the misogyny of the mainstream media, which wasn&#8217;t called out by Howard Dean until nearly the very end of the primary season (a week ago Sunday on Stephanopolous) &#8212; I cannot support Barack Obama, and have become an Independent.   If the DNC starts listening again, and reforms the process, and stops blaming the voters for our so-called &#8220;racism&#8221; (when all we did was support another candidate we felt was more worthy; race had nothing to do with it in my case, as I couldn&#8217;t have cared less what race Mrs. Clinton is nor Mr. Obama&#8217;s), maybe I&#8217;ll listen again.</p>
<p>Until that time, I&#8217;ve become marginalized.  Disenfranchised.  Discarded.  Unwanted.  Unappreciated.</p>
<p>Ms. Leavey, I respect you and your mission, but please don&#8217;t cut off we disaffected Hillary Clinton supporters.  I, for one, do not wish to support John McCain in the fall even though I find him an honorable man; I feel his policies are wrong for America at this time.</p>
<p>But I also feel Barack Obama isn&#8217;t ready for this job yet &#8212; and my feelings, like my conscience, are my own.  Please don&#8217;t shut me out, or others like me, just because we&#8217;re deeply distressed by the way the DNC has behaved.</p>
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		<title>By: Pamela Leavey</title>
		<link>http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/06/07/sorry-gang-im-just-not-there-yet/comment-page-1/#comment-13893</link>
		<dc:creator>Pamela Leavey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 19:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kendall Johnson

My suggestion at this point is find somewhere where that sentiment is more welcome, because we are working to defeat McCain here and press the party to work on the sexism issues rather than denounce party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kendall Johnson</p>
<p>My suggestion at this point is find somewhere where that sentiment is more welcome, because we are working to defeat McCain here and press the party to work on the sexism issues rather than denounce party.</p>
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		<title>By: Kendall Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kendall Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 18:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will never vote for Obama. I will not reward Misogyny and Obama is a sexist!!!! The DNC are also Misogynists!!!!</description>
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		<title>By: Hillary&#8217;s Voice &#187; From today&#8217;s postings 6/9/08</title>
		<link>http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/06/07/sorry-gang-im-just-not-there-yet/comment-page-1/#comment-13880</link>
		<dc:creator>Hillary&#8217;s Voice &#187; From today&#8217;s postings 6/9/08</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 16:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Sorry Gang – I’m Just Not There Yet (by Alegre at the Democratic Daily) I just can’t do it – not yet. I respect Hillary more than words can say and I know she did what she had to do [Saturday]… I’m not saying I won’t ever get there as far as voting for the guy goes. At this point BO might (might) get my vote in November if he ends up being our nominee. But he’s going to have to work damn hard to win my vote after the way he lied about Hillary, and remained silent as the media and even his own supporters and staff attacked her with some of the most bizarre and misogynistic load of garbage I’ve ever heard. As for Howard Dean and Nancy Pelosi et al, I don’t think the DNC realize just what a serious problem they’ve created after the way they’ve treated Hillary. We don’t support a party that throws our candidate under the bus in favor of another. And unless they work their ass off to undo the damage they’ve done, they’re going to be hard-pressed to get our votes. Oh, but Alegre, haven’t you heard?  We’re now dead enders (see below).  And according to some of the comments I’ve seen, we should be eating crow.  We should immediately turn on a dime and support the anointed candidate because you KNOW that’s just what THEY would do if Clinton had prevailed. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Sorry Gang – I’m Just Not There Yet (by Alegre at the Democratic Daily) I just can’t do it – not yet. I respect Hillary more than words can say and I know she did what she had to do [Saturday]… I’m not saying I won’t ever get there as far as voting for the guy goes. At this point BO might (might) get my vote in November if he ends up being our nominee. But he’s going to have to work damn hard to win my vote after the way he lied about Hillary, and remained silent as the media and even his own supporters and staff attacked her with some of the most bizarre and misogynistic load of garbage I’ve ever heard. As for Howard Dean and Nancy Pelosi et al, I don’t think the DNC realize just what a serious problem they’ve created after the way they’ve treated Hillary. We don’t support a party that throws our candidate under the bus in favor of another. And unless they work their ass off to undo the damage they’ve done, they’re going to be hard-pressed to get our votes. Oh, but Alegre, haven’t you heard?  We’re now dead enders (see below).  And according to some of the comments I’ve seen, we should be eating crow.  We should immediately turn on a dime and support the anointed candidate because you KNOW that’s just what THEY would do if Clinton had prevailed. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Pamela Leavey</title>
		<link>http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/06/07/sorry-gang-im-just-not-there-yet/comment-page-1/#comment-13837</link>
		<dc:creator>Pamela Leavey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 03:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DiAnne

Hi DiAnne! Nice to see another old friend here. I don&#039;t like that part of politics either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DiAnne</p>
<p>Hi DiAnne! Nice to see another old friend here. I don&#8217;t like that part of politics either.</p>
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		<title>By: DiAnne</title>
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		<dc:creator>DiAnne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 01:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a Kerry supporter who supported Clinton til January 2007 and Obama since.
I think Pamela made a good point about Kerry supporters understanding disappointment and also Swift Boating.  I also felt bad about what Dean supporters went through even when I was a Kerry supporter.  I don&#039;t like that part of politics.

There has been sexism and racism, to a degree, during these primaries.  I hope we really can unify beyond it.  I just want to wish everyone luck and I hope that these next five months go fairly smoothly and that we defeat McCain.  Or there goes choice.  There goes the environment.  (Actually someone said that to me the night Bush &quot;won&quot; last time - but things could get EVEN worse with McCain.)

Remember - McCain has a book about the economy by Greenspan that he plans to read.  Isn&#039;t that reassuring?  Not.  &amp; as far as foreign policy - having his hand on the button scares me alot!

Ok I won&#039;t go into specifics about how I made my political decisions at this time but just wanted to drop by and say hi.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a Kerry supporter who supported Clinton til January 2007 and Obama since.<br />
I think Pamela made a good point about Kerry supporters understanding disappointment and also Swift Boating.  I also felt bad about what Dean supporters went through even when I was a Kerry supporter.  I don&#8217;t like that part of politics.</p>
<p>There has been sexism and racism, to a degree, during these primaries.  I hope we really can unify beyond it.  I just want to wish everyone luck and I hope that these next five months go fairly smoothly and that we defeat McCain.  Or there goes choice.  There goes the environment.  (Actually someone said that to me the night Bush &#8220;won&#8221; last time &#8211; but things could get EVEN worse with McCain.)</p>
<p>Remember &#8211; McCain has a book about the economy by Greenspan that he plans to read.  Isn&#8217;t that reassuring?  Not.  &amp; as far as foreign policy &#8211; having his hand on the button scares me alot!</p>
<p>Ok I won&#8217;t go into specifics about how I made my political decisions at this time but just wanted to drop by and say hi.</p>
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		<title>By: Pamela Leavey</title>
		<link>http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/06/07/sorry-gang-im-just-not-there-yet/comment-page-1/#comment-13762</link>
		<dc:creator>Pamela Leavey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 18:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pan230oh

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Alegre started posting here because she believed that her thoughts and concerns would be heard and held in balance. Perhaps that’s not the case after all.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Alegre and I spoke last night, she knows she is welcome to continue to post here and how much I respect all she has done for HRC. 

She also knows that I, like HRC am supporting Obama, and my feelings on dissing Obama -- it doesn&#039;t help Hillary at this point -- it hurts her. 

As the owner/editor of The Dem Daily, I made it clear to Andy, in comments above that he needed to watch to video to understand what Alegre was saying. He did. He acknowledged in this thread and another on the sexism that some vile things have been said. 

One thing Andy says above is correct, the majority of the sexism has come from the media -- so too did the majority of the racism. 

Though many Clinton supporters may not be willing to acknowledge this, I had a discussion in another thread about what the media did to John Kerry in &#039;04. I worked for his campaign -- I was a front page writer on his blog and a moderator on his blog for 16 months. 

One of the things that compelled me to support HRC was the media attacks on her, because it reminded me of what they did to Kerry. 

This blog was founded as a haven for Kerry supporters after the &#039;04 election. They are welcome here and so are are HRC supporters, and quite frankly so too are Obama supporters. 

As I said in my comment above: 

&lt;blockquote&gt;In other words, the party is uniting and this blog is uniting too, with the party. We’re THE DEMOCRATIC DAILY. That should say it all.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pan230oh</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Alegre started posting here because she believed that her thoughts and concerns would be heard and held in balance. Perhaps that’s not the case after all.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Alegre and I spoke last night, she knows she is welcome to continue to post here and how much I respect all she has done for HRC. </p>
<p>She also knows that I, like HRC am supporting Obama, and my feelings on dissing Obama &#8212; it doesn&#8217;t help Hillary at this point &#8212; it hurts her. </p>
<p>As the owner/editor of The Dem Daily, I made it clear to Andy, in comments above that he needed to watch to video to understand what Alegre was saying. He did. He acknowledged in this thread and another on the sexism that some vile things have been said. </p>
<p>One thing Andy says above is correct, the majority of the sexism has come from the media &#8212; so too did the majority of the racism. </p>
<p>Though many Clinton supporters may not be willing to acknowledge this, I had a discussion in another thread about what the media did to John Kerry in &#8217;04. I worked for his campaign &#8212; I was a front page writer on his blog and a moderator on his blog for 16 months. </p>
<p>One of the things that compelled me to support HRC was the media attacks on her, because it reminded me of what they did to Kerry. </p>
<p>This blog was founded as a haven for Kerry supporters after the &#8217;04 election. They are welcome here and so are are HRC supporters, and quite frankly so too are Obama supporters. </p>
<p>As I said in my comment above: </p>
<blockquote><p>In other words, the party is uniting and this blog is uniting too, with the party. We’re THE DEMOCRATIC DAILY. That should say it all.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Pamela Leavey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pamela Leavey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 17:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark &amp; pan230oh

Did you miss my &lt;a href=&quot;http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/06/07/sorry-gang-im-just-not-there-yet/#comment-13697&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;comment above to Campskunk&lt;/a&gt;: 

&lt;blockquote&gt;Andy is actually a longtime reader and occassional front page poster here. Thank you.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Also incase you both missed it, but I have been very clear in multiple posts here, as the owner/editor of The Dem Daily, I am supporting the Barack Obama, the nominee, and I am working as Hillary Clinton is towards the defeat of John McCain in November. 

In a post here, I noted that longtime readers and frontpage writers who stayed in the background while this blog became a haven for Clinton supporters, &lt;a href=&quot;http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/06/04/whats-next-here/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;should feel welcome to post here again&lt;/a&gt; and Clinton supporters I hope will stay on as well -- but The Dem Daily is supporting Obama. 

In other words, the party is uniting and this blog is uniting too, with the party. We&#039;re THE DEMOCRATIC DAILY. That should say it all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark &#038; pan230oh</p>
<p>Did you miss my <a href="http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/06/07/sorry-gang-im-just-not-there-yet/#comment-13697" rel="nofollow">comment above to Campskunk</a>: </p>
<blockquote><p>Andy is actually a longtime reader and occassional front page poster here. Thank you.</p></blockquote>
<p>Also incase you both missed it, but I have been very clear in multiple posts here, as the owner/editor of The Dem Daily, I am supporting the Barack Obama, the nominee, and I am working as Hillary Clinton is towards the defeat of John McCain in November. </p>
<p>In a post here, I noted that longtime readers and frontpage writers who stayed in the background while this blog became a haven for Clinton supporters, <a href="http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/06/04/whats-next-here/" rel="nofollow">should feel welcome to post here again</a> and Clinton supporters I hope will stay on as well &#8212; but The Dem Daily is supporting Obama. </p>
<p>In other words, the party is uniting and this blog is uniting too, with the party. We&#8217;re THE DEMOCRATIC DAILY. That should say it all.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 15:58:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Alegre and All:  Andy -- I don&#039;t know where you have been hanging out, Andy... it must not have been at either of Obama or Clinton&#039;s campaign websites.... Because, if you had been hanging out there, you would have noted that &quot;Women&quot; or &quot;Women&#039;s Issues&quot; didn&#039;t get more than a couple of lines and no main page billing at Obama&#039;s site... or, for that matter, during any of the debates when he had the opportunity.  In essence, an accomplice to the crime.  Just because you stand by a watch a murder take place and do nothing about, does not make you &quot;innocent.&quot;  We can talk more about that if you need further data.  

Along with that fact, and the fact that Obama never publicly denounced sexism, period, not even a mild mention, goes to a proof level of &quot;more likely than not&quot; Obama consciously chose to NOT denounce sexism and not talk up women&#039;s issues SO THAT HE WOULD NOT ENHANCE THE CAMPAIGN OF HIS OPPONENT... geez... it&#039;s old politics in a new attractive body and style.  You need to look under the hood, folks.  Andy.

As for this D.I.E. (Democrat in Exile), the only way the party will get me back from my trial separation, is to recognize the relative illegitimacy of this nomination process and move for radical reform BEFORE the convention.  For me, this is NOT about whether Clinton got dissed, or got hissed, or got treated badly -- this is about the process, for godsakes!   Under the current process we have just done to ourselves what the Republicans did to us in 2000.  How ironic, you say?

If you truly believe in the principles of democracy, and you wish to democratize the DNC, and if you care about actually being able to determine the will of the people, and NOT just the will of the superdelegates and power brokers, then you would work hard to get reform of the process going BEFORE THE CONVENTION. 

Otherwise, DIEs like me, will move on to a third party that has more respect for the voter and the voter&#039;s intelligence and is more based in the voter.  

If all you care about is &quot;healing the party&quot; in some sort of superficial way that has no lasting benefit to the democratic process, and just pretty much rubber stamps the status quo, you are NOT the party of change.  Take a look under the hood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Alegre and All:  Andy &#8212; I don&#8217;t know where you have been hanging out, Andy&#8230; it must not have been at either of Obama or Clinton&#8217;s campaign websites&#8230;. Because, if you had been hanging out there, you would have noted that &#8220;Women&#8221; or &#8220;Women&#8217;s Issues&#8221; didn&#8217;t get more than a couple of lines and no main page billing at Obama&#8217;s site&#8230; or, for that matter, during any of the debates when he had the opportunity.  In essence, an accomplice to the crime.  Just because you stand by a watch a murder take place and do nothing about, does not make you &#8220;innocent.&#8221;  We can talk more about that if you need further data.  </p>
<p>Along with that fact, and the fact that Obama never publicly denounced sexism, period, not even a mild mention, goes to a proof level of &#8220;more likely than not&#8221; Obama consciously chose to NOT denounce sexism and not talk up women&#8217;s issues SO THAT HE WOULD NOT ENHANCE THE CAMPAIGN OF HIS OPPONENT&#8230; geez&#8230; it&#8217;s old politics in a new attractive body and style.  You need to look under the hood, folks.  Andy.</p>
<p>As for this D.I.E. (Democrat in Exile), the only way the party will get me back from my trial separation, is to recognize the relative illegitimacy of this nomination process and move for radical reform BEFORE the convention.  For me, this is NOT about whether Clinton got dissed, or got hissed, or got treated badly &#8212; this is about the process, for godsakes!   Under the current process we have just done to ourselves what the Republicans did to us in 2000.  How ironic, you say?</p>
<p>If you truly believe in the principles of democracy, and you wish to democratize the DNC, and if you care about actually being able to determine the will of the people, and NOT just the will of the superdelegates and power brokers, then you would work hard to get reform of the process going BEFORE THE CONVENTION. </p>
<p>Otherwise, DIEs like me, will move on to a third party that has more respect for the voter and the voter&#8217;s intelligence and is more based in the voter.  </p>
<p>If all you care about is &#8220;healing the party&#8221; in some sort of superficial way that has no lasting benefit to the democratic process, and just pretty much rubber stamps the status quo, you are NOT the party of change.  Take a look under the hood.</p>
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