I’m not blind. I read the PUMA blogs. They have made it clear they are against Kerry because he supported Obama (I won’t go to the trouble of linking to some of the more blatant posts because I know you read the PUMA blogs amd have left a link to this thread and our discussion on at least one). That’s called vengence where I come from and I think you know full well it is too. So let’s drop the conversation now.

As I said when this conversation first started because you were offended that I linked to the anti-PUMA site, I consider you to be friend. I have no problem sepating political views and friendship. I also after 5 long years in the blogosphere and working on Kerry’s presidential campaign and blogging as a supporter of HRC, have a deep understanding of the inner workings of politics and campaigns that goes beyond being a supporter of a candidate or a voter.

PUMA’s revenge tactics against Obama, Kerry and other politicians who have supported Obama are extremely transparent and show the ugliest side of politics. They have made it quite clear and public that they are doing this because Kerry supported Obama over Clinton.

That is among the many reasons why I am unimpressed by PUMA’s tactics. If you want to be party to that – that’s your business. But don’t expect me to not speak my mind and call it what is with PUMA’s. At this point, PUMA’s hurt HRC and only perpetuate the other progressive bloggers speaking out against them.

I doubt anyone ever asked O’Reilly, but common sense tells me he probably didn’t support Clinton in the primaires. And common sense tells me also that O’Reilly who is a panderer is probably lapping up the new found support from disgruntled Clinton supporters.
And of course, it’s just politics and Kerry has the right in participating in just politics to support who ever he pleases in the primaries.

At every crucial point over the years that MA has needed something from Kerry, he’s been there. And as you know, I know Kerry’s record in the Senate and in MA, far better than the PUMA’s do.

I will add, that I am also extremely disgusted by the movement among PUMA’s to attempt to defeat Kerry in his upcoming re-election campaign. That movement speaks loud and clear of nothing but vengence because Kerry backed Obama. He’s one of the finest liberal/progressive Senators we have and being a lifelong resident of MA, you should be aware of that. PUMA will never gain my approval or respect, and I believe wholeheartedly they should be exposed for what they are – a group of people on a mission to destroy our chances to regain the White House  – a group pf people willing to attempt to take down fine hard working politicians who supported a Barack Obama. That goal is petty and small and disgusting.

Obama is nominee and was”selected” the nominee through a process of voters going to the polls in 50 states and choosing delegates. The votes were close the delegates were close – but the fact remains he had the edge and Hillary Clinton recognized that and respected that. She stepped aside. She supports Obama. She’s said it time to move forward for the good of our country. That PUMA’s don’t respect that is sad.

Yes our country has freedom of speech and Christina has the right to disagree with PUMA and say she thinks they should be stopped.

I read the PUMA sites. I read NoQuarter and I find most of what I read on those sites to be filled with right wing talking points. I’ve been an active member of the liberal/progressive blogosphere for a long time now and I know first hand of the good it can do and the bad. I don’t agree with the PUMA movement, I think the name alone stands for a petulent group of people who are unwilling to let progress make it’s way at a time when this country desperately needs change.

If Clinton had not stepped aside there would be merit — but she has and is working to get Obama elected. For PUMA to work against that goal goes against everything Hillary Clinton stands for, in my opinion. And it’s sad, I say again that PUMA members do not see that.

Christina, on the other hand does appear to be either uninformed or purposely omitting facts. Christina’s descriptions of PUMA are false– PUMA is an organization that has formulated a plan to vote for John McCain if Senator Barack Obama is “selected” as the Democratic nominee at the Denver 2008 convention.

The only thing PUMA’s agree upon is that they will not vote for Obama. Her “shouldn’t be allowed on television” post is scary.  Has she forgotten citizens constitutional rights and freedom of speech? I personally would like to see Sen. Clinton ‘s name placed into nomination, provided the same opportunity at the Convention as Sen. Kennedy and Roosevelt received.  Something along the lines of a Democratic Convention, verses a coronation seems appropriate.Regardless, until this post, I don’t  believe  I’ve made any personal comments or references such as liar, blind feelings or ego – don’t think they contribute to unity.  Nor does instructing  me to “tell my Puma friends”.  As I said I’m truly dismayed at the comments flying back and forth between Democrats.

I think the WaPo, who I linked to here in the post does a good job at starting to set the HuffPo straight on this. There are problems that definitely need to be addressed and I think HRC will see that they are straightened out. Primaries are ugly, people say things in the heat of the moment and then hopefully they look back and see how important it is to support our nominee. Unfortunately some very ugly things have been said about Obama by Clinton supporters in the heat of the primaries, and since under the guise of PUMAPac. It’s a damn shame for the rest of us who want as HRC does, to see a Dem elected to the White House this year. All i all I found found Obama supporters in the blogosphere to be mellowing out quite a bit, while PUMA keeps on pouncing. It makes me sad and a little angry and that is why I posted the link to Christina’s blog. We need unity not division. HRC knows that and has stressed it over and over again.